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1804 Draped Bust --- Fake Or Real?

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 Posted 02/04/2007  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
here is a good site to study up on and see if yours looks to be done the same way as any of these http://mywebpages.comcast.net/reidg.../page_7.html and here is a page with real 1804 dollars on it look and see if it looks like any of them also http://mywebpages.comcast.net/reidg.../page_3.html
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 Posted 02/04/2007  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Lightwind, there are only 15 1804 Dollars in existence. Any one of them coming onto the market will become the most expensive coin ever sold. The chances of your coin being real are infinitesimal.
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 Posted 02/04/2007  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Southern Yankee to your friends list
I was looking up at coinfacts.com and ran across this same coin there. Or at least the pictures look the same as in identical.
Here is the link.
http://www.coinfacts.com/silver_dol...r_dollar.htm
Don't get me wrong I am not saying you don't have this coin, but is that the correct picture?
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 Posted 02/04/2007  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
looks like the same picture from coinfacts to me also
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 Posted 02/04/2007  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morganman to your friends list
Why do people pull this kind of stuff?

Can you say "Lost Credibility"?

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 Posted 02/04/2007  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
quote:
Why do people pull this kind of stuff?

Can you say "Lost Credibility"?


All the same, it's only fair and appropriate that the member be allowed to respond before anyone passes any judgement. I'm not comfortable with the direction this could take; don't expect it to be tolerated should it do so.
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 Posted 02/04/2007  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add birdman to your friends list
Looks like the same pic,even down to the dipple! BIRD EYE VIEW OUT.
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 Posted 02/04/2007  7:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list
Lightwind, can you post a better pic? Maybe something at a little different angle?

Thanks
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 Posted 02/04/2007  8:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edix to your friends list
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 Posted 02/04/2007  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
if it is the coin pictures at coin facts there is still the question on whether it is authentic or not, it seems this is a class III coin which means mine employee's minted it to sell to collectors because there were only 8 class I's made. So to some numismatists these are nothing but fakes made to deceive just as if someone at the mint producing some older coin now and getting it out of the mint and him doing it to deceive collectors
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 Posted 02/05/2007  02:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lightwind_99 to your friends list
O oh!
in truth I purchased this coin from a private deal. I thought I already owned it without having it in my possesion as of yet since my buyer told me its been sent thru mail.
I thought of posting this picture to ask everybody's general opinion because I'm having skepticism. And I didnt knew it was one of the rarest coin, I sincerely didnt imagine it'll create this kind of scandal that will loose my credibility. I would like to thank southern Yankee for the link that gave me an insight about my private dealing that got me on alert that I have bought a piece with a picture taken from another site.
i got Duped!!!!
I'm so sorry for the ruckus guys I really didnt know!!!!
i'll just be quiet for now. Thank you.
i need to settle a score with my seller!
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 Posted 02/05/2007  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mynt to your friends list
I don't think anybody meant to be quick to judge. People didn't realize the coin you posted was just an example picture-- rather than the acual coin itself...
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 Posted 02/05/2007  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
I think there is a valuable lesson here. A picture is only a picture after all and it can be copied. An unscrupulous seller can switch coins or just never send a coin. It would be a short term scam but it has been reported many times. So I guess we really need to know our sellers! Seems that's been said before.

Lightwind_99 - I would say it is not YOUR credibility at stake but rather the fellow who sold the coin to you. Does he/she have a name, website or ebay identity so that we can check out his stuff? Sounds like it could be fun!
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 Posted 02/05/2007  10:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morganman to your friends list
I am sorry, but in topic 10702, here is a quote from Lightwind:


"Yup it's a cheap fake, the indentations aren't that vivid, it was my first impression.
By the way, I just noticed that the seller had a buyer last two weeks ago and bought a 1804 Draped bust dollar that sold for $100+ and of course I determined the coin was also a fake from comparing it to the real photos of a genuine draped bust dollar. Sigh....its a one expensive fake coin tsk..tsk."

Then here,

"And I didnt knew it was one of the rarest coin"

he is saying he did not know the 1804 was a rare coin? Most anywhere a real 1804 dollar image is posted, there will be a reference to the fact it is very rare.

Now, he has purchased one, after all this chatter about fakes?

Flame me if you want, but something is not right here. But, in fairness, I will be listening for the explanation.

MM 1804-Draped-Bust-----Fake-Or-Real?
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 Posted 02/05/2007  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list
quote:
of course I determined the coin was also a fake from comparing it to the real photos of a genuine draped bust dollar. Sigh....its a one expensive fake coin tsk..tsk."


The good news is that the very first post here shouldn't have taken too long to write since the picture was readily available.

I'm with MM on this one.
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