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United States
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Quote: 52Raymo Posted - Today :1 Hr 49 Min ago -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I might take umbrage if Jake had made the offer. Jake gave exactly what the seller was asking. He could have offered less and the guy probably would have taken it. He didnt do that. Much ado about nothing. Give the guy a break. This isn't about Jake, other than he made the post spurring the discussion. In this situation, however, when you say he could have made a lower offer and didn't, are you implying that had he done so, and the seller takes that offer, that it's still okay? Knowing that the seller's price was well below market value? My point is, we are celebrating a "good deal" in this thread while in other threads we hammer the big buyers who do the exact same thing, offer made or not. This isn't about Jake, it's about whether the private buyer/collector has a responsibility to educate the seller (as so many have pointed out in the threads bashing the hotel guys) or is what the hotel guys do okay after all? Quote: 52Raymo Posted - Today :40 Min ago -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I could be wrong but I think the people that get upset with the traveling gold/coin buyers are other dealers that dont like them coming into their territory. The average Joe Blow could give a rip. But we're not talking about Average Joe Blow. We are talking about one of us doing the same thing the traveling guys are doing, only we're doing it in the "interest" of collecting. Average Joe Blow probably doesn't care. After all, he's getting cash he didn't have before he walked into the room. A.J.B. probably doesn't get on an internet forum and complain about it, because he doesn't know any better. BUT there are many posts made by people just like us out there decrying the traveling buyers, stating how much they rip off the public, and how we need to stop these guys and educate the public so they don't get ripped off. My point is we celebrate a private buyer paying well below the actual value to a seller who has no idea of it's value. But we'll call for the heads of the big buyers for doing the exact same thing. The fact that the co-worker threw out a number (again, not knowing what he was doing) is no different than the grandmother (who is also clueless about the value) taking the first offer from the guy in the hotel conference room. The question is not whether Jake is right or wrong, but why it's okay to do this as a private buyer, in the name of "collecting", but not a large company in the interest of making a profit?
Edited by omahaorange 04/22/2012 4:24 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Quote: The question is not whether Jake is right or wrong, but why it's okay to do this as a private buyer, in the name of "collecting", but not a large company in the interest of making a profit?
That's easy. One is doing it out of need the other is doing it out of greed. I don't think need is one of the seven deadly sins 
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United States
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 Okay , I read everyone's 2 cent's and the original post has been lost because there is too much emotion going on here. As I keep reading Jakeman406 post over and over because I have to keep reminding myself of what this is all about. " He did nothing wrong " it is not our job to judge his business transaction. Stick with the original post. A co-worker who's uncle left him coins in his will. I'll stop at this point ( if the co-worker really cared about his uncle or the sentimental gift he would have never approached jakeman)I'll move on. this is were opportunity then happened a guy who wanted fast cash and another who saw a fantastic deal. I also don't want to hear about the co-worker maybe wasn't thinking straight because he was sad about his uncle or naive about the coins I say that's a bunch of bull ! How I got my coin collection was from my dad who passed away 4 months ago . I still have all of them and I didn't know squat about a coin other than how to spend it. It means a lot to me to keep it that I had to go out and educate myself and I was naive then still learning now. As for my follow up I say good for you Jakeman because if I were given your identical situation on how this happened I would have done the same thing.
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United States
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I for one say great deal! It's definitely one thing if they came to you for your honest opinion/appraisal to sell but another entirely if they had $700 in mind without looking to haggle. I'd be upset if I were to take something like this to a show, dealer, shop or pawn shop and they made that offer but perfectly fine with a lack of counter offer if I walked in and said give me $700 for the lot.
Congrats!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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In todays day and age, with 99% of the information readily available, and also armed with nothing more than a simple internet connection.... NO ONE, should EVER be made to feel guilty for purchasing ANYTHING! imho. That being said..... jakeman406, you should have never been made to feel the need to defend yourself here. You have my utmost respect for continuing to do so in spite of all this. The way I see this, The seller is happy, The buyer is happy. It's a "good" deal. PERIOD...end of discussion.... Now, if some here feel the need to discuss business practices of the "CASH FOR GOLD" places that have sprung up on every major corner in every city here?... That's an completly DIFFERENT topic. "apples and oranges".... Start another thread about it maybe?  I've enjoyed reading this thread, and I can honestly see "both sides" of the coin here. This isn't the place for the debate though. That's just my humble 2 cents...
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United States
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If it were me I would have paid him more. There are alot of reasons.
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United States
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When you look for something in the classified, do you call them up and offer more ? That's crazy. The fellow worker came looking for Jake, not the other way around.
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Valued Member
United States
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Quote: That's easy. One is doing it out of need the other is doing it out of greed. I don't think need is one of the seven deadly sins Interesting response. So, if somebody comes up to me and says, "I just inherited all these coins and I really don't know what to do with them, will you give me $700?" and I buy these, knowing full well that it is less than half of what they're worth, this is "need" or "greed"? And the little old lady selling to the traveling buyer, taking the first offer given because she needs the cash, and doesn't know what else to do with the coins, is this "need" or "greed"? Are you saying the profit seeker is wrong in taking advantage of the little old lady, but I am okay for taking advantage of naive seller with no knowledge of what he has because I have no immediate intention of selling? what's to say in a couple weeks I need to sell off my collection, am I to settle for what I paid, or am I looking for market value.
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Valued Member
United States
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Quote: Okay , I read everyone's 2 cent's and the original post has been lost because there is too much emotion going on here. As I keep reading Jakeman406 post over and over because I have to keep reminding myself of what this is all about. " He did nothing wrong " it is not our job to judge his business transaction. Stick with the original post. A co-worker who's uncle left him coins in his will. I'll stop at this point ( if the co-worker really cared about his uncle or the sentimental gift he would have never approached jakeman)I'll move on. this is were opportunity then happened a guy who wanted fast cash and another who saw a fantastic deal.
I also don't want to hear about the co-worker maybe wasn't thinking straight because he was sad about his uncle or naive about the coins I say that's a bunch of bull ! How I got my coin collection was from my dad who passed away 4 months ago . I still have all of them and I didn't know squat about a coin other than how to spend it. It means a lot to me to keep it that I had to go out and educate myself and I was naive then still learning now. As for my follow up I say good for you Jakeman because if I were given your identical situation on how this happened I would have done the same thing. I never said Jake did anything wrong. I even said I would have jumped on the same deal in earlier posts. My question was why would we celebrate this deal, but condemn the other guys for doing the exact same thing.
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Valued Member
United States
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Quote: In todays day and age, with 99% of the information readily available, and also armed with nothing more than a simple internet connection.... I completely agree with that statement. But one of the themes in the recurring "Ban the Traveling Sales Shows" bashes is that we need to educate the public so they don't get ripped off by these guys. My point is, if we're going to celebrate this particular deal, maybe we shouldn't be so quick to bash the big boys. Quote: Now, if some here feel the need to discuss business practices of the "CASH FOR GOLD" places that have sprung up on every major corner in every city here?...
That's an completly DIFFERENT topic.
"apples and oranges".... And that's my question, Why is it different?
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Valued Member
United States
294 Posts |
Jake,
I want to publicly apologize for hijacking this thread. It was not my intention to bash you over this deal, or even see the thread go in the direction it did. Too many people have responded to that question by defending you for what you did, and missing the point of my post.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I just spent 15 minutes reading 6 pages of posts.......WHOA! what a waste. Jake I tried to email you and tell you I think you didn't do anything wrong but you don't accept emails. Well I guess I will have to face the music and say it publicly. I think you did just fine. I don't even think getting coins at half price of retail is a bad thing at all. If Walmart has a sale at 50% off you don't try to pay more. you simply just buy it and think nothing of it. I just bought a coin ring today and paid $725 (well actually a roll of silver eagles) and the rings appraisal was for $2100. thats a 1/3 of retail. Anyone out here want to pay me 1/2 of retail? I would be happy to sell it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Jake,
I want to publicly apologize for hijacking this thread. It was not my intention to bash you over this deal, or even see the thread go in the direction it did. Too many people have responded to that question by defending you for what you did, and missing the point of my post. I honestly don't think that anybody missed the point of your post omahaorange. And I'm willing to bet that most here actually agree with you. I just don't think that this particular thread is the place. I've enjoyed reading this thread honestly. And I do think there is room for debate concerning the discussion. But, it's a discussion that doesn't belong in this thread. and trust me omaha...my gray suit is waaaaaaaaaaay more conservative than yours is...  My many thanks goes out to the mods here at CCF...for allowing this thread to run its course... You folks deserve a beer for this one imho. 
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United States
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Lol@ scotty11  this thread somehow should be in a coin hall of fame section. Aside from the beer, a patron shot is also needed for this one and I dont drink. lol. I could just only imagine if we were in together in a juror room. 
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 United States
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Quote: What makes this any different than the hotel room set up by the "Cash4Gold" people? The difference is that the Cash for Gold people would have probably given $600 less than Jake did. Of course when I look deeper I see the intent; I honestly feel Jake went into this with the best intentions. I think Jake has taken enough abuse. I hope he knows he is still welcome and we have his back. So, it is all out there, all sides have had their say. Let the new observers make their own decision. As for this particular conversation, I get the last word.  
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