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What Kind Of Coin Is This?

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 Posted 04/19/2012  05:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list
If real, that would be a beard tax token (yeah, beard tax, laws can be weird like that) from the reign of Peter I of Russia (i.e. 1700s or so).
However, as those are both incredibly rare in the real version and fairly commonly faked, I'd bet that yours is a fake (I don't think I've ever seen the real thing).
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 Posted 04/19/2012  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
Correct. It's a Russian "Beard Tax token".

Backstory: Tsar Peter the Great (reigned 1682-1725) was a reformer, and wished to make his country "modern" and "European". The problem was, beards were traditional in Russia at the time, while they had gone out of fashion in Europe. So in 1705, Tsar Peter passed laws prohibiting beards.

There were exemptions: Orthodox priests, for example, believed beards were an essential part of their "uniform" and so were granted an exemption. But any ordinary citizen, be they serf or nobleman, who wished to continue to sport a beard, had to pay for the privilege. The tokens were issued as a kind of receipt, which had to be presented on demand if a soldier stopped you in the street and demanded proof you had paid the beard tax.

The tax rates were different for serfs (1 kopek) and nobles (100 kopeks), and the tokens were different, too: serf tokens were bronze, noble tokens were silver. I have seen genuine examples of both, displayed on "Odd and Curious night" at my local coin club meeting. This brief Wikipedia article shows a silver version; here's an old CCF thread with a copper one.

January1may brings up an important point: these uniquely Russian tokens are very popular with collectors in Russia and have been widely replicated.
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 Posted 04/19/2012  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mvojnovic to your friends list
Interesting token, I never saw anything like that...
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 Posted 04/19/2012  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list
Biggfredd, did Sap foil you? foil is spelled correct
Wow! Interesting history, thanks Sap.
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 Posted 04/19/2012  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add valdiman to your friends list
Sorry to say this but 100% fake.
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 Posted 04/19/2012  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cajunlady0 to your friends list
That is a really cool piece! Very unique looking.

Awe......if it is a fake, too bad. BUT it still is nice!!

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 Posted 04/19/2012  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list
My beard (which is 45 years old next month) would rather like one of these. Anyone who has one/spots one, I'd like to know.

Bob
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 Posted 04/19/2012  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
I'm a member of SOB Numismatists (Society of Bearded). Are they still active?
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 Posted 04/19/2012  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
bpoc1-

I knew and gave the answer, I just thought it was an interesting coin, and wanted to test the ccf crew.

They did not disappoint, even tho they only mentioned the newer examples.
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 Posted 04/19/2012  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list

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...if a soldier stopped you in the street and demanded proof you had paid the beard tax.
That's one of those sentences I never imagined I'd read.
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 Posted 04/20/2012  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add valdiman to your friends list

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Anyone who has one/spots one, I'd like to know.
http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...lotNo=25620. This one sold for $6325
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 Posted 04/20/2012  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list
I may just settle for a fake, although now I've seen what some of those can fetch.............
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 Posted 04/20/2012  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list



Great-great-whatever would have passed down a pretty good return if he paid his taxes.
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 Posted 05/02/2012  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list

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I'm a member of SOB Numismatists (Society of Bearded). Are they still active?


LOL biggfredd, I thought that was just your dry wit showing until the May edition of The Numismatist arrived in my mailbox today. As I was thumbing through the pages, I stopped dead on page 74 when I saw an article titled S.O.B. Numismatists- bearded collectors revitalize a convention tradition!


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Past and wannabe members are reestablishing the society and will hold a meeting at the 2012 World's Fair of Money in Philadelphia to discuss the group's future, share stories and socialize over libations. In keeping with the society's original mission, prerequisites for membership are a beard; a healthy liver; a strong dislike for rules, regulations, and related pomposity; and a sense of humor.


To receive updates, as well as the time and location of the gathering, phone (PM me for number) or e-mail beards AT money.org
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 Posted 05/02/2012  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
"A beard" could be anything from one facial hair on up. I joined over 40 years ago.
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