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Rest in Peace
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Certain features show wear of a coin in AU condition while other features are that of a coin grading Fine. Doesn't add up to authentic.
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I will take it to a local coin dealer this week and let y'all know what he thinks.
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Bedrock of the Community
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From the general appearance and especially the denticals I think it is a fake. But one of the most important things hasn't been told to us, or really even asked what does it weigh.
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Would a fake generally weigh more or less than a genuine coin? I haven't had the chance to weigh it yet.
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Here is my 1842 for comparison's sake:   |
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I think it is a very good fake. Here is a side by side comparison. As Moe pointed out, there is a gap between the denticles and the rim on the reverse of the OP's example. It is definitely worth the $5 investment and third graders are not too young to also learn that there are dishonest people out there.   |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I agree with most that it is likely fake....with the denticles being the main concern. However, the date looks pretty close to the real deal which from what I have seen is unusual on these counterfeits. Pretty decent fake actually.
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As mentioned previously, something does look fishy about the denticles and this is a coin which counterfeiters love to fake. Take it to a dealer and see what they say. If its fake, you only spent $5 on it, so I guess its not too much of a loss (many people have spent hundreds on Seated dollar fakes). If its real, you have landed a $500 for $5 so fingers crossed. I'm really hoping this one is real - the amount of fakes in numismatics is so depressing (it would be so great to see a winning outcome for a change). Good luck with it and let us know how it turns out. Edited by enoilgam
04/23/2012 1:24 pm
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I took it to a local coin/baseball card dealer today. I told him I was wondering whether it was real or not. He then took it and spun it on his counter a few times. He then declared, "I don't know." He did give me the name of another local dealer who could probably tell me definitively. I guess I'll try again tomorrow.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Now that Jeffrose has posted the side by side pictures I see another problem. Note the SIZE of the date. I'm fairly sure there was only one date logo for this issue.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Would a fake generally weigh more or less than a genuine coin? Some high-end numismatic counterfeits are struck on full weight planchets of a correct alloy but the vast majority of fakes are struck on base metal planchets that are significantly lighter than a genuine silver coin. For me, there is no doubt that your coin is not genuine. It is decent for a fake, I have seen much worse, but it is still not convincing if you know what you are looking at. Obviously the "dealer" you showed was completely clueless and he failed Counterfeit Detection 101 by not weighing it. |
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I took it to another dealer today and he gave me the official bad news. He looked at it for about 5 seconds and said, "yep, it's a fake." I asked him what was the instant give away. He said that there were actually 2 things. He said that the date looked wrong, and then he flipped the coin over and said, "Notice how the eagle's head is at the top of the coin, same as the seated liberty on the other side? It should be upside down. That's a dead give away." I felt really dumb after that. I never even noticed it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Ahh, so it was in medal alignment in addition to everything else. Yep, no American coins are in medal alignment (except the occasional odd duck, but it's seldom exactly in medal alignment). Between that, the mushy details and the odd date, that's a no-contest fake. My condolences.
However, now you have a fun conversation piece. (And I can only hope that you get bitten by the counterfeit bug and start your own collection.) :-)
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United States
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the last "a" in america looks like its not lined up with the "c" correctly
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Posted 04/22/2012 8:55 pm
to the Forum!! Great coin to bring to us!
more, & more!!
