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First Attempt At This Grading Stuff

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 Posted 02/07/2007  8:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edix to your friends list
SuperDave and I can agree on things. I concur with his advice to read as much about the debate as possible.
Now, texasmick, you may have wanted to imply that her benefactor abrasively cleaned the coin, but the semantics, thru the use of pronouns and other grammar in your text, points to her as the culprit in your view:
"If someone had presented Maryhm's benefactor with the alternative of soaking her coin in acetone to remove the nasty green residue, she might not have completely ruined her $1000+ coin by abrasively cleaning it."
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02/07/2007 8:05 pm
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 Posted 02/07/2007  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
Just for the record, I've used pure acetone many times and I've never suffered adverse effects to any of the coins. If the coins are handled properly, the liquid will not harm the coin in any way. Removing gunk off the coin by rubbing the coin in any way can cause hairlining, so the acetone is really only for immersion.
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 Posted 02/07/2007  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maryhm to your friends list
Prethen, what method did you use to clean with acetone?
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 Posted 02/07/2007  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texasmick to your friends list
OT: Semantics and grammar

My resident English major has informed me that this wasn't a particularly well-constructed sentence. [Duh]

The subject of the dependent clause was someone. She--the one who cleaned the coin--could be concluded to refer to someone, Maryhm, or her benefactor.

Upon first reading the sentence, my consultant also believed I was accusing Maryhm of cleaning the coin. She soon added that grammatically, Maryhm's benefactor was the most-likely culprit.

I guess that's why I married her. (no, not Maryhm's benefactor--my consultant!)

I'll agree it was ambiguous and I understand your interpretation. But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this point as well.

It's been fun sparring with you. No hard feelings, I hope.
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 Posted 02/07/2007  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
I bought 100% acetone from the local hardware store. I used a glass pudding bowl and filled the bowl enough to cover any coin(s) I placed in the bowl. I don't place too much in there as it just a waste, however you want to have the coins totally immersed. If I only plan on leaving the coins in there for several minutes to several hours, this should work fine. If I want to leave them in there several days, I use a jar with a lid that can seal in the liquid from evaporating. I use a cotton swap to lightly dab, and if necessary, lightly swab at affected areas. I place the coin on a cotton towel, but it's usually dry with help from the atmosphere pretty quickly. You might want to run the coin under pure/distilled water to wash any contaminants off and then do a quick acetone dip and air dry.

I've done this many times and no problems. There are coins though that can't be helped by this process. Just don't do anything abrasive with them.
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02/07/2007 8:35 pm
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 Posted 02/07/2007  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edix to your friends list
No hard feelings.
I live in Texas and my dad was called Mickey!
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 Posted 02/07/2007  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maryhm to your friends list
I asked on 3 other coin forums and did some googling. I decided to try a short acetone bath. It's sitting in there right now and I can already see that it's eaten off most of the green. I'll post the after pics tomorrow.

Kum-bay-a,
Mary- born, raised, & lived in Texas for 25 of my 36 years on Earth.
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 Posted 02/08/2007  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbar to your friends list
I don't see pvc contam. on the coin you posted......am I blind?
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 Posted 02/08/2007  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maryhm to your friends list
It's easiest to see around the top right rim of the coin.
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 Posted 02/08/2007  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbar to your friends list
I think I would have tried to spot clean with a q-tip before I dipped that coin.
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 Posted 02/08/2007  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
Immersing in acetone is in no way the same as "dipping a coin". Acetone can remove plastecized contaminants; dipping uses chemicals to strip away tarnish/toning and a layer of metal.
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 Posted 02/08/2007  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maryhm to your friends list
I have the "after" pics up now. I let it soak for a total of 6 minutes. After pics are below the befores.
http://www.monshaugenfamily.com/Coi...tion/CC.html
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 Posted 02/08/2007  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
It looks like you did a good job. I think that technically (ignoring the harsh cleaning) the coin is an AU58 based on chatter in the fields on on Liberty's cheek. I believe the coin has seen some circulation to warrant a circulated grade.
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 Posted 02/08/2007  2:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maryhm to your friends list
But if you consider the harsh cleaning, what kind of grade is it?
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 Posted 02/08/2007  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
I net it as XF. Remember, when you're asking someone to assign a grade, you're essentially asking the person to price the coin.
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