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Pillar of the Community
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It's more of a philosophical question, the more I think about it. I believe that under the PNG rules one could very well sell a Carr piece, provided it's disclosed as a Carr piece (which you have to do anyways :-) ). If a PNG member buffed a corroded Carr piece in an attempt to make it look better, then that would be a violation.
As to our post count, LOL I didn't even notice. :-) (One more post for me! ;-))
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So the paint's still wet on the newly adopted definition and we're bending it already. Pathetic.  |
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It's tradition!
(Traaadition! Tradition! *dee deedle deedle deedle dee* Tradition! :-) )
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The words "altering of metal, so that a coin appears to be in a better state of preservation, or more valuable than it otherwise would be," would seem to clear Hobo buffs and old love tokens.
As far as the Carr stuff goes, it all is a bit on the dark side. sure, the people he sells to know what they're getting - but do the people they sell to know where the coin came from?
I did like his fantasy NY quarter.
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So a hobo nickel is not a coin?
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Wowser, I gotta get me one of those 64's !
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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scubu, what exactly did Carr do to you to deserve all these attacks from you? You are the one here stretching rules. NOTHING in those rules says ANYTHING about a fantasy coin like the ones Carr makes. These coins are not real. They are a striking of somthing that never happened. This is NOT an attempt to alter a coin to make it look like a more valuable REAL coin. Thats the rule you highlighted.
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Thats the rule you highlighted. No the rule I highlighted reads significantly different. So we can change the wording of the rule to suit our own agendas when needed. I understand. Carr dollars and hobo nickels are not coins. I understand. Edited by scubu
04/25/2012 7:18 pm
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No, no it doesn't. It says quite clearly altering a coin to appear to be in a better state of preservation, or more valuable than it otherwise would be. It then goes to give examples such as whizzing removing mint marks polishing etc. To anyone not trying to come up with a reason to attack these pieces (I am presuming your link for reporting ebay auctions in your signature is part of this thinking as well) the rule is clearly meant to cover things like adding a D to a 32 Washington quarter or the like. NOT in any way for something like a Hobo or a fantasy piece. I am not changing any words. I am simply reading and comprehending simple English. It is YOU who obviously has an agenda. |
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I don't give a crap what the rule is meant for. The way it reads perfectly includes Carr dollars as doctored coins. No ifs, ands, or buts. He changes the metal, they're still coins, and they are worth more. Doctored coin.
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OK, no use in arguing with that stellar logic.
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They do start out as legit Peace dollars, do they not? Or does he use molten silver to make fantasy pieces? It seems to me if he restamps a piece dollar it's doctoring if he makes something from scratch it's a fantasy piece (or whatever you want to call it). I really don't know how he gets away with what he does either way. |
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So a hobo nickel is not a coin?
Nope. Once carved, it is exonumia. Just try spending a hobo nickel as five cents and see how far that gets you, any cashier with a lick of common sense would reject it. Quote:
He changes the metal, they're still coins, and they are worth more. Worth more to who? Answer- someone buying it for artistic merit and not as a coin. You certainly aren't going to find one listed in any numismatic price guide and it cannot be a coin if it is not monetized by the US Government. Using your misinterpretation of the definition, elongated cents would also be considered as "doctored". After all, you are altering the metal by flattening and embossing an image on it and the resultant EC is worth more than 1 cent. Quote:They do start out as legit Peace dollars, do they not? Yes, it is overstruck on a genuine random date Peace dollar and traces of the original design remain after overstriking. |
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Also, do not the PNG guidelines apply to the conduct of PNG members? There is nothing in the guidelines that states a PNG member is forbidden from purchasing a fantasy piece and selling it as a fantasy piece. If they buff the fantasy piece to make it "look better" that's a violation, as their conduct is against the guidelines. In fact, item 7 of the current code of ethics states (emphasis mine): Quote:
7. To refrain from knowingly dealing in counterfeit, altered or repaired numismatic items without fully disclosing their status to my customer. I hate to say it, scubu, but I think you've got the wrong angle on this one. Edited by SteveCaruso
04/26/2012 2:27 pm
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