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Apmex Has Them All -- What You Think?

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 Posted 04/26/2012  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vinnycoin to your friends list
Isn't this just the continuation of the Chinese Zodiac series, or is it a separate privy all together?
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 Posted 04/26/2012  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dooby Rak to your friends list
Not altered coins. These are raised features which means they need to be created by stamping a coin with a die. Probably old dies they want to use up and engraved a privy mark for a last bit of more profit. If the feature is sunk into the coin, then someone altered some coins. These are produced at the mint with mint dies.
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 Posted 04/26/2012  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add traevin to your friends list
It's just not an "official" RCM product. They filled the order at the request of APMEX. That's why you won't see this, or the titanic, listed on RCM site; nor will you see a RCM COA like the one I have for the 2000 dragon, unless I miss my guess.
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 Posted 04/26/2012  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinwatch to your friends list
traevin, I deleted my original reply to you since I apparently completely misunderstood what you said. Let's try this again.

The 2012 silver Maple "Titanic" privy coin was commissioned by APMEX through the RCM. The Royal Canadian Mint then produced a limited 25,000 mintage of this 2012 Titanic privy coin which were then delivered to APMEX as the exclusive distributor. Is this correct?

Thanks for helping me clarify.



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04/26/2012 1:12 pm
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 Posted 04/26/2012  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add traevin to your friends list
CW,

I re-read my original post and I wasn't as clear as I could have been. Sorry for the confusion. My fingers get ahead of my brain sometimes. As an aside, there are two people on this forum who consistently stand out as far as contributing thoughtful, general knowledge on a host of different subjects and you're one of them. So any minor help I can provide will always be my pleasure.
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 Posted 04/26/2012  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinwatch to your friends list
traevin, the confusion was completely mine. My apologies, sir. You bring a lot of experience and knowledge to our discussion here on the forum. I should read more carefully.
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 Posted 04/26/2012  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
If they ever come out with an "outhouse" privy coin, THAT I might buy.
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 Posted 04/26/2012  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hermanwilliams to your friends list
If you can get one for the same price as the regular "non"-privy coin then that would be cool. I can't see paying a premium over the regular bullion coin though. I'm also not to big on any coin that is proof bullion either.
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 Posted 04/26/2012  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list
I think the privy-marked SMLs are an interesting additional collectible for those that collect Canada's standard/bullion SMLs, in similar fashion as the various colourized and gold-plated versions that the RCM has made available over the years. Of course, they are also a neat collectible on their own and now number about 40 different types!

I purposely mentioned the colourized and gold-plated SMLs because, like those, I don't think the privy-marked series should be equated to the standard bullion issues. They are custom coins, struck by the RCM for organizations that wish to offer collectors something different. Naturally, they need to be priced a bit higher than the straight bullion pieces because they involve more engraving time and die work at the RCM -- along with separate production runs -- which needs to be paid for by the organization/corporation that contracts for the special privy-marked coins on top of their bullion cost.

It seems a bit silly to complain about their cost being a few dollars more than the bullion pieces as they are not meant to be bullion coins -- they are specially struck collector coins and have a justifiably different cost structure. If your interest is in acquiring silver bullion, stick with the standard SMLs. If you are interested in collector-oriented silver coins, then the privy-marked SMLs are one of many viable options that come at an advance over their bullion value.

Full Disclosure: I have collected the privy-marked SMLs since their inception in 1998 and have never considered them bullion pieces. I've never had any of them graded/encapsulated and don't worry about whether they're 65's, 67's or 69's -- paying to have these particular coins graded just doesn't seem to be worth it. I have purchased a Titanic and Dragon from APMEX to keep my privy mark set current.

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 Posted 04/26/2012  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
"Most of the privy coins regardless of mint don't get my attention, the exception being specific historic events. I bought the 2012 Titanic privy because the subject matter resonated with me."

I agree, an the only ones I would go after, with the Titanic piece being the big one. I have not went after any of those yet, but definitely think they will remain good sellers an stand the test of time. An increase in value, as opposed to decrease.....
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04/26/2012 10:06 pm
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 Posted 04/27/2012  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list
I think traevin is right
RCM mints many of the privy marked SML to order (zodiac privy SML were commissioned by Universal Coins - a dealer, dragons and titanic by APMEX, Tower of Pisa and Berlin bridge coins by European dealers). You will never see SML coins listed on sale by the RCM though, privy marked or not. The margin on bullion is so thin that the RCM do not sell bullion to end consumers directly and only sells to dealers with a minimum of $250,000-500,000 in orders annually.
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 Posted 04/27/2012  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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the titanic pricy coins

I try not to comment on ordinary typos, but some are more like Freudian underwear.
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 Posted 04/27/2012  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
, Dooby Rak!
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Quote:
Isn't this just the continuation of the Chinese Zodiac series, or is it a separate privy all together?


It's a septic rat privy altogether.
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 Posted 04/28/2012  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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I'm also not to big on any coin that is proof bullion either.

Me neither. But once in a great while, APMEX has US 90% silver proof coins for the same or even less than the cost of BU and even circulated coins. That is when it makes sense to me to buy the proofs. The Statehood Quarters are a good example of this. I also once got a tube of Kennedy proof halves for the same price as their BU grade halves. No special bullion value there but the proof coins sure are beautiful. If I can get them at the same price as BU or even less, I am all over it.
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