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G'day WWWWW, do PCGS recognize these as struck with Proof dies as well or is it only NGC ? I ask this because I have a couple or three of these & probably should have them slabbed.
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I believe they do (though I may be wrong on this). Can you post up some photos? The issue is very scarce and a lot of the 'proof-like' examples I've seen on the market are just cleaned business strikes. An easy way to identify them is by their thick, wire rim (the business strikes have a beveled rim).
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Best I can do at this time of the day,if you need better pics I can get some tomorrow,the coin is better than the pics show it.   |
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I'll wait for your better pics before I confirm, but I'm pretty sure yours is a special strike - the lighting is making the rim look beveled (at the top-left of the obverse), similar to the top of the reverse on that NGC one on ebay. |
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This from the blue book site. There are two identified proof like dies,Each with a flat wire rim. Unlike the business strikes , which have a beveled rim. Therefore if the centenary florin has a beveled rim it is a business strike and not a proof or proof like coin. Not unlike the coin in this discussion  |
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That's correct, but the NGC coin doesn't have a beveled rim. It appears to be beveled at the top and bottom as the light comes in from the top, look at the left and right sides of the reverse, it's the thick-wire type rim.
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If you look at the right hand side of both the obverse and the reverse you will see that the coin in question is in fact beveled. Quote:I'll wait for your better pics before I confirm, but I'm pretty sure yours is a special strike - the lighting is making the rim look beveled (at the top-left of the obverse), similar to the top of the reverse on that NGC one on ebay. Quote:
That's correct, but the NGC coin doesn't have a beveled rim. It appears to be beveled at the top and bottom as the light comes in from the top, look at the left and right sides of the reverse, it's the thick-wire type rim.  |
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Appleangel, you've got 3 of these? Good job! I was thinking the same as Trout about the beveled rim on that ebay coin. It is hard to tell. Screw it, I contacted the seller for a picture of the rim. See what he says.  Edited by JamieSpat
05/20/2012 04:43 am
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If you look at the right hand side of both the obverse and the reverse you will see that the coin in question is in fact beveled. It can't be beveled on one side and not on the other. The apparent variance you see is caused by the angle of lighting and the angle the photo was taken at. The reverse has an upward bias with a slight backward tilt, the obverse looks like a NNE bias but the coin is tilted relative to the camera as well (note the thicker lower-right rim and the thinner upper-left). There are a lot of other identifiers that are apparent on this coin too, the reflective relief (look at the mane of the horse and the fire), the definition of the rider's helmet and fire and the general intensity of the strike as whole. There's no doubt in my mind that it is a special strike. |
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Sorry for the stupid question, but what exactly is the difference between the proof-like rim and business strike rim. I have often wondered if my centenary florin is a PL strike, because the fields on the reverse have a mirror like appearance.
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Enoilgam, honestly I'm not sure I know anymore. I'm all confused. Anyway, the seller said he's traveling and doesn't have the coin in hand. I was going to get him to take tilt the slab at 125 degree angle with direct light right on the rim. Heck at that price he should be willing. Hahahahaha. As usual thanks for all the info. Cheers.
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Sorry for the stupid question, but what exactly is the difference between the proof-like rim and business strike rim. I have often wondered if my centenary florin is a PL strike, because the fields on the reverse have a mirror like appearance. It's not so much certain details indicate a PL strike, certain details indicate an MS strike, etc, but rather certain coins were produced for certain purposes (collectors/records/presentation/circulation) and historians work out how to differentiate between them from diagnostic markers. In the case of the Centenary florin, the wire rim is one of these diagnostic markers. There's a good article in the CAB magazine on differentiating the various types (unfortunately I'm away from my library at the moment otherwise I'd look it up for you) - I'm sure someone here would be generous enough to look it up for you. |
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This is a good shot of the normal rim.  & here even though the picture is'nt fanastic you can see the obvious difference in this ones rim,it's flat not beveled like the first one. |
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I was just going through my photos & found this pic I took of the above coin the other day,it might show the rim better. The one thing that I noticed with the coins in hand is that the coin struck with proof dies the very edge of the coin is higher than than denticles where as the normal strike the edge finishes below the level of the denticles because of the bevel of course.  Edited by appleangel07
05/20/2012 12:33 pm
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That looks more like it appleangel The rim looks the goods and the design has a cameo effect as well. When your 2 pics are put together the flat rim sticks out like dogs ----- |
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