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Pillar of the Community
 Egypt
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At first I asked them if I could buy one of those polished coins and in a few instances were sold them for a fraction of what they could or should have been This is exactly why I started this thread. I see many coins with great details and a very good price but sadly they are polished  Quote:
It is sort of like stripping a coin down to bare metal and allowing nature to mess it up as if from the start. Giving the coin a new start, I agree with that but not with the part of stripping the coin to bare metal .... how can you do that without causing a permanent damage to the coin surface  |
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Valued Member
Finland
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not exactly the same, but when I had few bronze disease coins three years ago I was forced to cure the disease off. You may know what it means - coins are shiny after the curing process. I just left the coins without 2x2's and now they are almost in the same condition than before the process. So I give my vote for "leave them alone" alternative.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Giving the coin a new start, I agree with that but not with the part of stripping the coin to bare metal .... how can you do that without causing a permanent damage to the coin surface 1. Remember your dealing with coins that have already had things done to them to damage the surface. 2. You can usually find some fantastic buys due to that polished or harsh cleaning. 3. Normally it is the polish or whatever was used on the coin that I try to strip off. 4. Harsh cleaning is something else. Polished Silver coins that have been buffed too are a real problem since the outer layer has been sprad out at times. 5. One of the main ingrediants in my process is something called patience. And I did forget one other product I've used on some coins in the past. Gun Bluing solutions. And just one more time, the above should never be done on a valuable coin. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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If the coin has been polished the ONLY cure is the pocket piece method and you have to carry it until all of the polished surface has been worn away. Yes this will mean a reduction in grade but no amount of retoning or re-patinating will ever remove that polished surface. It has to be worn off first before the coin can re-tone and look natural.
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Egypt
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Gun Bluing solutions. Carl, it seems that you have tried everything  |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Short honest answer is NO. Once polished a coin will always be one of the ugly sisters, Regardless of whatever makeup she wears  |
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Pillar of the Community
Egypt
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So I give my vote for "leave them alone" alternative. Quote:
If the coin has been polished the ONLY cure is the pocket piece method Quote:
It is sort of like stripping a coin down to bare metal and allowing nature to mess it up as if from the start. So its either to leave it alone way or to first remove the polished surface (either the pocket piece way or Carl's way) and then again leave it alone. OK ... understood. Quote:
There a number of repatination strategies that can be found on the Web. Well, I searched the web for repatination and I found this site that talks about this issue but with ancient coins http://www.nobleromancoins.com/index.php?cPath=15 br / and there is this Silver Blackener?!! http://www.nobleromancoins.com/prod...k32ljt5pd630is this artificial toning considered accepted with ancient coins but not with modern coins? and another question; which do you may consider to keep in your collection; a polished silver coin "as it is" or the same polished silver coin after being repatinated with this silver Blackener? Edited by EgCollector
06/28/2012 03:51 am
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Pillar of the Community
Egypt
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Quote:Short honest answer is NO. Once polished a coin will always be one of the ugly sisters, Regardless of whatever makeup she wears I know and this is sad but time has changed for everything so I thought may be it has changed for this ugly sister too and instead of using makeup may be a cosmetic surgery could help |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Gun Bluing solutions.
Carl, it seems that you have tried everything
One of my favorites on making some, not all, coins look like they should. However, if it does't work, it really makes a mess of a coin. |
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United States
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Don't cleaned coins naturally start to age again over time?
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Don't cleaned coins naturally start to age again over time?
answers 50cents, long winded answers $1 short truthful answers Free. The free answer is NO a cleaned coin will remain a cleaned coin forever. total cost to you $0  |
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United States
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New Member
United States
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There are plenty of lightly 'cleaned' coins that have repainted naturally over years, or many years (10 to 50) and some would easily pass the third party grading without a 'details' grade attached to them. It's no different than a coin that you rubbed in your hands as a kid or the very old (early 1800's or so) coins that have scratches that are not 'details' authenticated so IT CAN BE DONE. Obviously it depends on the severity of the cleaning, wiping, polishing, etc., etc..I have coons that I've had since I was a kid that I got from my grandfather. Some have been authenticated as environment damage, some cleaned. I've a few that were definetly cleaned and came back graded. It depends on how they LOOK. It's as simple as that. If they LOOK cleaned than they WERE cleaned.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I have seen it reported on other threads here in the CCF, that most 19th century American silver has had some sort of cleaning.
It follows that they have repatinated over many decades, and most of them are market acceptable in their current appearance.
Mostly, such coins still get a "Details Cleaned" from TPGraders and mostly, they are still collected anyway.
If I am considering to buy, I just negotiate for a lower price.
I will never attempt 'improve' the appearance such coins, on the grounds that I have found them acceptable enough to buy in the first place.
As with just carl, I have mucked around with some ugly looking crown sized World silver, but my motivation has never been in an attempt to increase the value.
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United States
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I've got a few silver coins that have been cleaned and then start retoning over the years. They usually tone around the edges and work their way in.
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