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@ RED: Thanks!! That's almost certainly a simple non-nickel brass then. I was thinking it was most likely to be the work of the steel-centre £2 gang as their £2 (e.g. the 2012) likewise have soapy automatic ('Xerox') images of the faces (whereas all the others in those pics have artisan spoofs) but remarkably lifelike edges, and they do not appear to have access to nickel alloys (or they would use them). However the edge is taken to another level here, the reeding is lovely and compressed just a broader gauge.
@ tenbob. This is an example of the series I and RED are calling Magic Motto. If you compare it closely with a bona fide coins with the true non-Roman type DECUS.. motto, particularly in daylight, you will see a number of differences. The lettering does always have differences from the real thing, most visibly the S and the M are more lopsided and the N closer to the D, by about 5 reeds vs. bona fide, although the position of the cross can vary a little in the bona fide. Also the M especially is more spidery/calligraphic. Also the reeding is less tight and I've found the metal to be paler than the real thing with some variegation, which may mean more nickel than par and some lead in the mix. Also rim errors like that you refer to on the obverse are common; the cross may be too blobby rather than just faint; bits may be missing from the motto. They have made several reverses especially Royal Arms and Oak, and both Third and Fourth Portrait. Many can be seen in UK Fake and Error Coins but I've found very few in London, at least that I noticed.
Yours may have been made in the past few years, but Magic Motto is one of two recent large-scale makers operating from before 2010 which do not fit with any reported factory bust and so may still be operating. I have a PLEIDIOL... Leek with similar characteristics apparently also Magic Motto (sorry I should put up pic or two). Their edges are lifelike in a different way to the steel-centred £2 and the 2014 £1, but in all these cases the edges show up clear differences when viewed closely.
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Many thanks for all the info Moral  I don't collect fakes but its surprising how many I have found just from checking my change since the start of the year, around 35 - 40 so far. All of them received in Nottingham & its surrounding towns. Here is another I am not sure about, Welsh Leek No lettering or date visible on either side ( we know how badly these coins wear ) No reeding on edge, edge inscription clear and ok ? Weight - 9.51g        Is it just a badly worn example or is it a fake ? |
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Almost certainly real and either badly eroded or was a weak strike error. Or both. Moral
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I'm still waiting to hear an official reply from the mint about the 1985 alloy...
that one is about on par with my worst example... I showed the mint on facebook and explained that my coin was defective and I would like a replacement.
Surprise surprise they said they couldn't replace it but said if I took it to a bank, they may replace it for me !! PMSL
(There's a thread on here somewhere 'Post a lowball 1985 leek' or something along those lines.
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I was going to post in the " lowball 85 " section RED but wasn't sure so waited for confirmation. I got another at the weekend, 1993 coat of arms Weight - 9.25g       |
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I quite like the motto on those ones... very childish.. like a 5yr old carving into play-doh!! Couple of new £2's in my collection. Both alternative versions to the originals. This is the only fake 2015 Technology I know of to have the "TWO POUNDS" obverse.  and here's a 2015 dated Mary Rose.  (Sorry neither of these are new scans, they're just copy & pastes, but there's nothing new here) There's also an undated Mary Rose... a coin I came across quite a while back but has only recently surfaced on ebay... unfortunately the morons are out in force on this one and the prices have gone for between £17.55 & £36.50.. way above my budget !! Also in terms of my mule 'Quid Grid' I have a couple of new mule coins on it (Neither of which I own unfortunately)... a 2011 Three Lions  (This coin has the same die flaw between the D & G as the 2011 coin I thought was a shield but after numerous attempts to contact the coins owner, he blocked me on facebook, so i'll never know) also this, a 1991 Rampant Lion.  Not only a new year not mentioned anywhere before, but a new motto type for this design (I don't know about Andys but I only have 2 types of motto for the Rampant Lion, neither of which match this one) |
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Just found what appears to be a contemporary fake half-crown, 1923.
Specs: D: 32mm T: 2mm W: 13.8g
Milled. Looks like silver-plated brass, the silver is wearing off on the standard high points.
Pics when I manage it. Anybody know if it's worth anything?
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Hi all. Last week's episode of Fake Britain, available for 23 more days, included a feature on fake £2 coins at 19' into the programme: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...-6-episode-5Recorded some months ago, in a sample of 1250 £2 coins withdrawn from a local bank to the Willings company [Andover], just one counterfeit was found. But it was only detected by manual inspection, since it was so good it passed unfailingly through a coin validator, unlike many genuine coins which are rejected 5% of the time, according to Andy Brown of Willings. It was found to deviate by under 0.1% from weight specification and the alloys used were very similar though not identical to genuine. The fake had a trace of iron in the centre metal. It was a 2011 with spoof die images and recognizably of the same make as that discussed on p.8 of this thread and various pictured elsewhere. The die images in this make actually show some subtle permutations if you study them closely enough, in addition to the date 2004 also appearing e.g. http://ukfakeanderrorcoins.50webs.c...S/FAKE2G.jpg |
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United States
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Mercedes and Disney well represented on the reverse, upper left.
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United Kingdom
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Hi all. Had a bit of a hairy day yesterday. Had to flee a burning car on the M25, luckily nobody hurt and not even any damage to possessions in it after huge flames were put out. Then a long wait in between recovery trucks in Surrey so I had 2 cups of tea in a pub-hotel. Got a pound with a dodgy motto among my change so I set it aside. Then today I looked at the faces...      Die axis is about right, colour even and slightly reddish but within bounds of real ones. Appears to have very slighly larger equatorial measurement than real but not as prominently as some other fakes. I know of one other collected with all similar images and the same rim bulge on reverse at 11.30, and one further collected with this reverse, also 1988 but apparently Magic Motto series. More remarkably, in the last 4½ years of looking I've only found about 5 of the bonafide 1988, though I don't check for these consistently. The car was an instant write-off. It wasn't mine and was well-worn anyway. |
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Blimey, I hadn't realised how long it was since I last posted or logged on. Glad to hear your ok MC, 2 cups of tea will always calm the situation. Then comes the lucky part, an 88 shield  Cracking find mate still waiting for my first 1. I did get around 6 or 7 in December though from various shopping trips, only 1 was a little unusual though. I will post some pics later. |
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Been a while since I last posted.... Not a lot happening really (Except my house caught fire so I'm living in a pokey flat in a terrible area for the next couple of months, without my coins !! :( ). I've been working on my up & coming database website quite a lot... a full re-design & re-branding of my old site (I'm still keeping it basic tho) All I will say is, the old site has [I think] 716 coins... The new site currently has only 270 coins but the new site is about quality of images and information, not quantity. I'm also ditching the ERRORS section... It's something that does interest me, but my coins are only from circulation and I don't know enough about it all or have enough 'wow factor' errors to make it worthwhile. I might have the site up and running in a month or so, but the motto images will have to be the same quality as the ones on my current site if I do, as no access to the coins and no access to decent photography equipment to take new ones either !! Now that's out of the way... Came across 3 unique types this week in change (2 were thanks to my old lady yesterday) and one new type from ebay. (Nothing special.. a 2002 Celtic Cross with the commonest edge motto [I think], a 1993 Flax with the kiddies 'Crayon' style edge motto, a 1994 Rampant with the Diagonal S style edge motto and the one from ebay was a lead/alloy 1994 Rampant with realistic Nemo edge motto - £1.99 delivered - I couldn't resist.) There's a fake Marconi £2 come to light... first known for this design... unfortunately they wouldn't sell :( Also came across fake £2 with no edge motto... and believe it or not it WASN'T a Chinese fake !! haha |
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Well 6 months after conception, I can finally announce that.....  www.TheFakePoundCoinDatabase.co.uk263 unique one pound coins 45 unique two pound coins 54 other fake coins (with more to come soon) Edited by Red
05/07/2016 6:54 pm
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Hi everyone, I only am able to make my way to the UK for a couple of weeks each year. And I always keep an eye out for circulating counterfeit pound coins. I think that I was not disappoint this time around. The lettering looks bulbous and "off", and some of the details in the head and bridge just look "mushy." This is a counterfeit right? I just got this example from the British Library gift shop.   |
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