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 Posted 08/01/2012  06:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list

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Detail is not the only measure of strike, die rust and other forms of die damage are contributing factors to a low strike grading, have a read of this:
http://www.numismatics.com.au/Blog/..nding_Strike


You may or may not be right, but when we're talking Australian Commonwealth coins strike doesn't really enter into it until higher grades. Adelaide Pounds are hardly an every day grading experience but I'll keep your information in mind if I ever get to send one in for grading.
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 Posted 08/08/2012  01:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevo1962 to your friends list
Trout you may have been interested in this one,it ended unsold a couple of days ago but the seller may relist or be open to offers



http://www.ebay.com/itm/280919577134?
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 Posted 08/08/2012  01:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevo1962 to your friends list
Sorry my mistake-it actually sold, was watching it for a while but couldn't commit to buying it
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 Posted 08/08/2012  01:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevo1962 to your friends list
Here's another one going off shortly

http://www.ebay.com/itm/130741243693?
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 Posted 08/08/2012  02:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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Here's another one going off shortly

The coin looks OK but I have concerns as to where it is coming from.
South Korea is an area where fake coins are rather common place.
However I have put a bid on it out of sheer curiosity.
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 Posted 08/08/2012  03:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevo1962 to your friends list
The seller looks to be honest and the bluesheet value is at $140
so is getting up to value
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 Posted 08/08/2012  04:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list
It's a real florin in a real slab. It matches the image here: http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/25545591.html and the larger image here: AU-58?

It's a bit tricky to match the images because of the different lighting but if you look on the reverse below the space between the O and you of HOUSE you can see the same mark in both images.

The images match at least, whether the seller actually has the coin they've posted up images of is a completely different question.
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08/08/2012 04:03 am
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 Posted 08/08/2012  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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It's a bit tricky to match the images because of the different lighting but if you look on the reverse below the space between the O and you of HOUSE you can see the same mark in both images.

The images match at least, whether the seller actually has the coin they've posted up images of is a completely different question

I ended up getting this coin.
We will all know when it arrives.
I have little experience with slabbed coins and will have to ask the question, If I have 2 identical coins in the same type of slab from the same TPG will they have the same weights
I should be able to identify the coin from the pic's Markin kindly posted but I may have to de slab this to verify it's authenticity.
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 Posted 08/08/2012  6:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
I bought another 1927 florin on Tuesday listed as Choice Uncirculated.
Will be interesting to see what it actually grades out at.
I will of course post scans and pics of it so that it can be graded by my peers here on CCF
Forgot to add the link to the listing
http://www.ebay.com/itm/26107670574....m1497.l2649
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08/08/2012 8:33 pm
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 Posted 08/08/2012  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list

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If I have 2 identical coins in the same type of slab from the same TPG will they have the same weights


What a great question! I'd suspect they'll vary a bit due to bits of extra flash on the plastic slab and the rubber grommet. I'll have a look around and see if I can find some coins of the same type and weight them.
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 Posted 08/08/2012  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list
OK, I've just weight 4 New Zealand 3d's that were graded in the same submission and appear to be in the same type of holder. The weights of the slabs were 32.47g, 32.21g, 32.28g, and 32.72g. I'd call that theory confirmed, you cannot use the slab mass as an indicator of coin mass (or authenticity).
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OK, I've just weight 4 New Zealand 3d's that were graded in the same submission and appear to be in the same type of holder. The weights of the slabs were 32.47g, 32.21g, 32.28g, and 32.72g. I'd call that theory confirmed, you cannot use the slab mass as an indicator of coin mass (or authenticity).


Thanks Markin,
Looks like I will have to de slab this one to be sure.
I realy don't have a problem doing this as I usualy do it anyway
Besides if it turns out to be genuine it will be so much easier to take scans and pics of without the plastic
and I much prefer my coins without the slab.
I do have better 1927 florins than this one so this will give me a point of referance to grade the better ones.
An MS67 is supposed to be the best you can get with these and I'm pretty sure I don't have one yet, So the hunt contiues
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 Posted 08/08/2012  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list

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An MS67 is supposed to be the best you can get with these and I'm pretty sure I don't have one yet, So the hunt contiues


The MS67 showing on the PCGS population report has been there for a long time. Someone much more knowledgeable than I has told me that it's most likely that it was a proof that was graded as MS in error. I managed to get a Parliament into an MS66 slab a couple of years ago, it's a pretty enough coin but there's a tonne of MS65's out there with bags more eye appeal.
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 Posted 08/27/2012  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
[quote][/quoIt's a bit tricky to match the images because of the different lighting but if you look on the reverse below the space between the O and you of HOUSE you can see the same mark in both images.

The images match at least, whether the seller actually has the coin they've posted up images of is a completely different questionte]
The coin arrived today, it has the same mark.
Going by the grade of this I have some better coins in my collection.
This is a nice coin and serves as a point of reference for my other coins


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 Posted 08/27/2012  05:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
I weighed both of my pcgs slabbed florins and they both came out at 41.8 g


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