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1788 Massachusetts Cent ..... Hmmm, A Copy?

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 Posted 08/03/2012  03:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cointagous to your friends list
Not the best picture to work from on ebay as its too grainy an image. Sure don't like the look of it but can't say one way or the other as to it being authentic.
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 Posted 08/03/2012  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dave H to your friends list
" Both the last two bidders have purchased quite a few "Colonial" coins. Maybe they know something?"
How can you tell, bidders identities are supposed to be hidden from all but the seller?

Looked at the bid history then clicked on the buyers... didn't reveal their identity, but does show what types of coins they have bid on...
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 Posted 08/03/2012  10:27 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Looks fine to me just cleaned.
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 Posted 08/03/2012  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CheetahCats to your friends list
I am revising my opinion.

The specimen appears to be a copy of a Ryder 1-D. I say appears to be a copy, because I believe it is quite possibly a replica. And upon better viewing on a regular sized monitor, I also believe that it does indeed resemble some of those 1960s replicas; The lettering doesn't look quite right.

(friendly piece of advice folks -- try to avoid using a Nexus 7" tablet, while out at 1am, to view grainy ebay photos! LOL.)
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 Posted 08/03/2012  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
Hey guys, look at the serifs in the legends; particularly, the curly feet of those A's in Massachusetts. I just found and got to looking at a few 60's era copies that I remembered having. One of my two Mass. copies has serifs just like the subject one, and it's also a 1788.
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 Posted 08/03/2012  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
Sold for $308.99 ! Maybe, it's a new variety, and I have one ... Fat chance!
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 Posted 08/03/2012  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CheetahCats to your friends list
I'm glad I took a relook at that this morning and posted an update.

I wouldn't have touched that thing with a 10 foot pole.
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 Posted 08/08/2012  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfanmorgan to your friends list
In my personal opinion, this coin appears to be in too good to be true condition for a coin dating that old. Wonder what the winning bidder of $308 will do if it's a fake?
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 Posted 08/08/2012  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list

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In my personal opinion, this coin appears to be in too good to be true condition for a coin dating that old.


Condition isn't always a warning signal when it comes to coin replicas. Here's another "1788" replica that's currently drawing strong bids:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/30075547369...t_500wt_1089

Note how aged the item appears, as if it's been buried. The word CENTS has been obliterated. My suspicion is that the word COPY may have been there in the shield, and a previous owner probably scratched that out. This copy/replica with the crude lettering isn't as deceptive as this thread's subject piece.

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 Posted 08/08/2012  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CheetahCats to your friends list
Yuck. Did you see the other stuff the guy is trying to pawn off?
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 Posted 08/09/2012  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
Yes, Cheetah, I did peruse his wares ... There's an "1824" dated "Hard Times" token - another replica from the 1960's. These were so plentiful in the market that Rulau took occasion to list them in his work.

While hiss wares have zero appeal to me, I do appreciate his 14 day return and low starting bids. IMHO, most of his offerings aren't worth the time and effort to peddle on ebay - better suited to a flea market. Yet, perhaps the seller is an old, retired guy like me, who's just looking to stay busy?
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 Posted 08/14/2012  3:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list
Its a 20th Century Cast Fake.

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 Posted 08/14/2012  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list

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Looks fine to me just cleaned.



I would officially like to redeem myself
After closer examination, I also concur this is a cast copy.
I think exoguy is right when he stated the word 'copy' has been removed.
His other stuff is indeed junk.
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 Posted 07/15/2014  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pdm12772 to your friends list
ExoGuy.....Ever find out if yours was a copy? Its been a while and I have shown mine to a few people and most think it may be authentic. If and when I have the money I will send it in to be told it is fake or authentic.
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 Posted 07/15/2014  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
pdm12772 .... No, I never confirmed whether it's a copy, but I strongly suspect it is. My colonials will probably go to auction someday, given that there are some better varieties among them. Unless I can remember to bring that "1788" to a big show in the interim, I'll let the cataloger decide.

If I do remember to seek an opinion, I'll try to recall this thread and let you know. Please, do likewise with yours. I'll be really surprised!
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