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1909 Lincoln Cent Will Be Touching Down On Mars Sun Night

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 Posted 08/09/2012  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
So sometime in the future an Alien race will wander into our Solar System. Then they land on Mars to do a little surveying and find that Penny. I would think if there is a Numismatist Alien on that ship, his fist words would be something like "Great, what a bunch of Cheapskates". "I travel millions of Light Years and what do I get, a lousy Penny".
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 Posted 08/09/2012  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
I agree we wont ever see that penny back here unless an alien decides to send it back. Only way itd be recovered besides aliens is for a human to go to mars and get it.
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 Posted 08/09/2012  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list
Manned Mars missions are only out of the question "for now." They may still be in our future, and not necessarily far off! It'd be hilarious if an astronaut on the first mission did, in fact, grab the coin and bring it back . . . I'm betting his family would never go hungry, if he decided to sell.
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 Posted 08/10/2012  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayman931 to your friends list
So I decided to try to contact some people from NASA to get photos of the coin during the calibration on Mars....Its a fat chance I will get any reply but cross your fingers. Can I file a FOIA?

Ok...I filled out the Freedom of Information Act to get photos. I'm hoping my sense of humor and adventure help.

On the section asking the purpose to the Request I wrote:

I am a member of a forum that includes Coin Collectors and NASA fans. We will not be using the photos for monetary gain. We will be using the photos for education and overall astonishment.

Anyone ever fill out a FOIA before?
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 Posted 08/11/2012  12:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
I can only guess that a lot of people are asking about the Lincoln Cent.
Have you been watching the briefings? First order of business seems to be uploading the final rover software.
After that, they'll start testing and calibrating the instruments--including taking that photo, I'm sure.
It's just a matter of time before it's on NASA's site. Here's the latest briefing.
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 Posted 08/11/2012  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Danester to your friends list
Here is a link to a CC thread discussing some NASA Lincoln Cents.

https://goccf.com/t/100590

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 Posted 08/15/2012  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayman931 to your friends list
I received my response from NASA...here is my response I received from the Freedom of Information Act I requested for pics of the Lincoln Cent...

Your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request dated August 13, 2012, for release of information from the files of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) received in FOIA processing at the NASA Management Office-Jet Propulsion Laboratory on August 13, 2012. You requested the following:

"Photos of the 1909 VDB Penny from The Mars Rover: Curiosity taken on Mars during calibration of its cameras."

This is to advise that I could not locate any responsive Government records for your request. However, images of the 1909 VDB penny on Mars have yet to be taken. Once this happens, the raw images will be automatically released to the public, normally within 24 hours, by posting them to the web site at: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/

You have appeal rights concerning these actions.
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 Posted 08/15/2012  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yankee1227 to your friends list
I can't believe I just found this thread!

This is very neat, although I agree, this cent will most likely never be seen again on earth, but it would be neat if they could prove me wrong
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 Posted 08/15/2012  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Danester to your friends list

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...here is my response I received from the Freedom of Information Act I requested for pics of the Lincoln Cent...


Excellent, you got a quick response from the Federal Government - that's encouraging. Now get back to them and ask them who killed Kennedy.

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 Posted 08/15/2012  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list

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However, images of the 1909 VDB penny on Mars have yet to be taken.
Well, right--did you really think a FOIA request would expedite all the tasks including image processing that NASA/JPL has to do?
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 Posted 08/16/2012  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Thinking back about all the pro's and con's about us landing on the Moon, then looking at the possibility of this topic. By that I mean the pessimistic view point is what if there was no Cent sent to Mars anyway? Who could prove it? How does anyone really know if it is a Lincoln Cent and what is the date on it if it is there at all? Who is going there to see if it is there? With all the STUFF the government tells us that we never really know if true, this entire coin thing could be a story invented by the Mint to inspire more ooin collecting.
A cent being Copper could start to combine with very little Oxygen to form Cu2O on the surface. With a small amount of CO2 and a bit of moisture, that could start a reaction creating [CuCO3-Cu(OH)2] or Copper Carbonate. This would eventually rot away that entire coin, if it is really there.
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 Posted 08/16/2012  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Danester to your friends list

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....By that I mean the pessimistic view point is what if there was no Cent sent to Mars anyway? Who could prove it? How does anyone really know if it is a Lincoln Cent and what is the date on it if it is there at all? Who is going there to see if it is there? With all the STUFF the government tells us that we never really know if true, this entire coin thing could be a story invented by the Mint to inspire more coin collecting.


Oh, that's excellent.... a Mars Lincoln Cent conspiracy. There could be a whole cottage industry built around it - investigations, books, youtube video and movies for the next 100 years.

When you think about it, a 1909 VDB is kind of being cheap compared to the whole Curiosity budget. They could have sent a 1909 S VDB. Knowing it would be harshly clean-up, a 1909-S VDB could have been purchased fairly inexpensively that was previously cleaned or had impaired surfaces. Ken Edgett paid for the coin with his own funds and could have sprung for this type of up-grade I would think.

And, what about the Moon. Do think one of the Moon astronauts might have left a Buffalo nickel (or something similar) on the Moon surface?
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 Posted 08/16/2012  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinstar to your friends list
Danester thats funny!
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 Posted 08/16/2012  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list

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With a small amount of CO2 and a bit of moisture, that could start a reaction creating [CuCO3-Cu(OH)2] or Copper Carbonate.
The surface of Mt. Sharp and Gale crater have some of the highest concentrations of sulphur--up to 3.2%, so dust could possibly interact with moisture, form H2SO4 and react with the copper.
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 Posted 09/06/2012  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Here ya go--the first picture of the MAHLI calibration target on Mars, including the 1909 LWC.
I have included a full-resolution image, as well as a portion of NASA's caption, the entirety is here.

The MAHLI calibration target includes a penny at the center of this image, plus color chips, a metric standardized bar graphic, and (just below the penny) a stair-step pattern for depth calibration.

The coin is from 1909. That was the first year Lincoln pennies were minted and the centennial of Abraham Lincoln's birth. The penny is a nod to field geologists' informal practice of placing a coin as a size reference in close-up photographs of rocks, and it gives the public a familiar object for perceiving size on Mars easily.



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