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Bedrock of the Community
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Slowest sinking ship in history if that part were to be true
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Marketing is marketing. Not good, nor evil. Undereducated buyers will snap up that association with their romantic visions of the Titanic and be forever happy with their purchase.
I don't think coin collectors were the fellow's target audience, but romantics buying a memento of something that touched them emotionally (now, why anyone without relatives on a shipwreck 100 years ago would have an emotional connection to it is beyond me).
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Did anyone scroll all the way down the page? He gives random histories and cast listings for a movie. Wacky quacky that someone spent 20 dollars.
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In all fairness, I have a couple of pfennigs from shortly after WWII and when I describe them to people, I do mention that they're from the German financial crash (when marks were so worthless people literally used them as toilet paper, according to my grampa--which is probably an untrue, but certainly colourful and effective, story). It's not a marketing ploy, it's just the first thing that popped into my head when my grampa gave them to me--"holy crispy crap, there was a time when these weren't worth the metal that's in them."
Obviously what this seller is doing is more deliberate than that, but if you apply the psychology in reverse (i.e., if I can see a 1949 German coin and make that connection, wouldn't someone else see a coin contemporary to whatever and make that connection?), it makes sense. The human animal is associated to remember by association, which is why acronyms like DARE and mnemonics like Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sarah (the order in which you're supposed to do a multi-operation mathematical problem) work so well.
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I frequently check to see what was going on in the world when a particular coin was minted. An example ... I dug an 1810 Half Cent. I found out that in 1810 Napolean married Josephine, and Frederick Chopin was born. Coins are closely linked to the events of the day. Was your 1914 Barber dime used to gain admission to the first Baseball game at Wrigley field? It certainly could have been. The "Chifeds" (Chicago Federals) defeated the visiting Kansas City Packers 9-1 on that day, which was April 23rd 1914. I don't find associating dates on coins with history a cheap marketing ploy. I think that numismatics brings history to life for some people. To scoff at somebody with converging interests in history and numismatics, to me, makes no sense. It's just another facet of the hobby. Coins are more than metal discs with designs and lettering embossed on them. They're much more than that. They "should" make you wonder what was going on when they were minted. Folks always make a big deal out of civil war dated coins. Is that just cheezy marketing, or is it OK because coinage was in short supply because of hoarding. Be careful ... you might learn some history. Chance Edited by Chancellor Sutler
08/09/2012 9:32 pm
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HHMMMMMMM. And idea  Why not start selling coins with the Pompeii disaster date? Coins from the last days of Troy? First Troy that is. And who could say fake if I tried selling coins from the days of the Ark.  And my favorite would be the parting of the Sea by Mosses coins.  |
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Chancellor (hello, fellow V fan, by the way!), I agree. I first became fascinated by history when I got a 1908 IHC and my mom asked me about the very disaster this thread began with--"can you imagine? That coin was minted the same year they started building the Titanic" (Wikipedia informs me that she had the Titanic mixed up with its sister ship the Olympic, but the principle of the thing is still there). Keep in mind that I got this coin in 1998--the famous (or infamous) James Cameron movie was the most recent I'd seen in a theatre, so it's not like this was an abstract reference for me. WHOA! That was it--my next coin was from 1932. Let's see how many people here know which important person attained which important office in that year. My mind was totally blown--that coin could have been given to either of my grampas as children, and it was of recent enough mintage that either of them could have carried it to their posts in Nagoya, Japan or the West Pacific battle theatre during WWII. I lost interest for a few years (childhood hobbies have a way of doing that), but came back to the hobby last year when I realised how nicely it went hand in hand with my love of history. I don't agree with marketing an item as "memorabilia" when it's not (a 1912 recovered from the wreck, yes; a 1912 a survivor picked up that year, or a few years later, so as to never forget, yes; a random coin minted in that year, not so much), but mentioning that it's contemporary with the disaster, sure. ETA: Carl, I've actually seen that (though not with coins)--"own this fantastic fill in the blank from the glory days of Troy." You may have trouble with Ark coins, however, as all known specimens were destroyed along with the unicorns. Edited by ninamason
08/09/2012 11:00 pm
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I think 1932 was the year Hattie Caraway was elected - the first female senator in US, but also Eamon De Valera became president of Eire, Albert Lebrun became president and Edouard Herriot became premier of France, Engelbert Dollfuss became chancellor of Austria. A 1932 10c of France, Austrian 5 groschen and Irish farthing are all low cost coins, but if the lot were to fetch $20, you could include a US 1932 cent.
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@Pertinax, Hattie Caraway is cool, but the office I was going for was "Adolf Hitler, Chancellor of Germany."
Yeah. Kinda puts a different light on your 1930s coins when you realise what was brewing that whole decade.
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Was waiting to see if you were thinking of Hitler, or Franklin D. Roosevelt, who was first elected president in 1932. They both died in 1945, as well. Also had the same golf handicap, I think.
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ninamason,
I don't think Hitler became chancellor until 1933.
He was born in Austria, so I think he became a naturalised German citizen in 1932. You could add one of the commoner 1932 10 pfennig coins, either A - Berlin or D-Munich to the lot for next to nothing.
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Both excellent choices, but I was a serious WWII . . . . the word "buff" sounds awful in this context, but I seriously couldn't get enough of trying to figure out how anyone could possibly do anything so unspeakable, when I was 10-12 years old. Most of my focus was on Germany, not US politics. We won't talk about how many years it took me to realise that Roosevelt and Churchill worked together against Hitler and Mussolini (um, I was well into high school).
And Pertinax, we're both right. Hitler was selected in 1932, but not sworn in until 1933 (the same way the US president is selected in an even year but always sworn in during an odd year). By the end of 1932 all that remained was his oath.
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Valued Member
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about the 1914 date and Wrigley field, in 1912 Fenway Park opened. Tickets were 25c 50c and $1. All good coins to sell today, the price of admission to Fenway... The sox won the world series that year too.
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Pillar of the Community
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I wonder if anybody's ever considered 1963 pennies with a JFK counterstamp. That would seem like an obvious one.
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A 1973 penny possibly linked to the Jan 14th - Superbowl VII: Miami Dolphins beat Wash Red Skins, 14-7 in LA. (fact listed from historyorb) A random penny picked out of change. Anyone could come up with linking anything they wanted to for an event.
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