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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Banks in Canada don't care about having US pennies in Canadian penny rolls, but it's the opposite in the US. I wonder if the stores in Canada will also prevent US pennies into their stores. Generally, the Canadian Government wants to pull out Canadian pennies. Pennies in stores go to banks, and banks give pennies to be melted. The Canadian government has no right to melt US pennies. Therefore, I don't think that stores will ever accept US pennies from the day of elimination. Plus, prices will be rounded up so larger stores will not accept any more pennies. Quote: I have a feeling very few people in this community will live long enough to see the day when there is a shortage that causes US pennies to fill a need north of the border. Prices are growing constantly and one day a several cents would be too useless to save. Imagine. A hundred years ago you were able to purchase a dictionary with several cents, and now, a dictionary costs 100 times more. On the other hand, US pennies will also be (likely) be eliminated due to my aforementioned reason.
Edited by Petersun 08/10/2012 12:22 pm
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New Member
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Quote: how will you save money using american pennies.. it rounds up sometimes, it rounds down sometimes - you will come out even. I don't think you will come out even. Stores such as Walmart force producers to move to third world countries to save pennies on cost of products. I believe that these stores will strategically set their prices so that the combined total always has to round up in their favour. Quote: you're in the wrong hobby if you're going to get butthurt about losing one penny per transaction. Quote: There are far more important things to worry about than a penny here and there. Quote: A couple of pennies here or there on my transactions has never been a concern for me. Actually it's two pennies per transaction. LOL. In this economy, when we are already tax stressed from the government in Canada, I don't want to lose any more of the money I'm left with out of principle. There are people on the forum talking about saving aluminum cans to get 40 cents per pound and buy silver... I think I'd save more per week toward buying what I want if I'm not losing pennies per transaction. Quote: yes, they will get a little more scarce as time goes by, but then again so will the generation that remembers them (or even cares). most of the "now generation" is happy paying 18%-28% interest on everything they buy, do you think they will care about 2-3 cents?
The report from the mint says gradually withdrawn. I don't believe it will take all that many years for this to take effect, look at the one and two dollar bills. It won't be the money stupid "now generation" that will be bringing the American pennies into Canada's circulation. It will be the rest of us cheapskates! LOL
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 United States
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Quote: I believe that these stores will strategically set their prices so that the combined total always has to round up in their favour. This would actually cost them more time and effort than it is actually worth. The reality is, if one retailer is rounding up, a competitor will round down; making a point to say that "I am not ripping you off like the other guy!" If you do not take care of your customers, someone else will. What is always overlooked is that rounding already occurs to the nearest cent because of sales tax. Rounding to the nearest nickel ( or dime) would be no different.
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Quote: What is always overlooked is that rounding already occurs to the nearest cent because of sales tax. Rounding to the nearest nickel (or dime) would be no different.
I'm not trying to argue with anyone in any way. Just seeing what everyone's input is on the subject. Jbuck, in your Country you don't pay nearly the amount of income tax and sales tax as we do in many Canadian Provinces... For those of us who don't have as much purchasing power with our income, we don't want rounding that's not in our favour. Because if you put it that way, talking about nickels and dimes. There is nowhere in this Country where you can go buy something for five or ten cents except a variety store to buy a gummy candy or two... So why not intead of doing away with the penny (which costs less to make than banknotes with anti-counterfeiting technology) doen't Canada and the United States (because you know they are going to drop their penny sooner rather than later too) just drop a zero off of our money? The way Mexico dropped three zeros off of their money back in 1993.
Edited by wayforwarded 08/10/2012 6:27 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Personally, I always reject any foreign objects found in my money. Cashiers tell me it's the same but it is not. Money of the realm... I may as well just use Mexican pesos everywhere I go but I don't and won't. Just because something is "equivalent" in "value" doesn't mean that they are the same/identical.
@wayforwarded: you've obviously never been to Toronto where retailers can choose to charge you 5 cents per plastic bag of inferior quality in order to take the products home. They could've figured the "tax" into the prices on their shelves but choose to pocket that cash instead and give us really crappy bags. How this saves the environment I haven't a clue but I suspect that they're changing the definition of environment (once I can afford a dictionary I'll look it up). Also, Mexico dropped off the 3 zeroes because of hyperinflation. With the Nuevo Peso (1992) they did have 5 and 10 cent pieces, but those have dropped off because they are basically worthless and easy to lose. Canada and the US have inflation, but not to the extent that our prices are 1000 dollars for a chocolate bar (plus tax).
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Libertad, yes I have been to Toronto many times. It's the same at the western end of the 401 with purchasing grocery bags, I carry my own reusable bags everywhere I shop. I agree that the tax should be prefigured into the price on the shelves. It's supposed to save the environment by you not wanting to spend the money on bags that won't biodegrade in the landfills, and bring your own cloth bags.
Sure Canada and US inflation isn't to the extent of what Mexico's was. That's why I said drop 1 zero intead of 3. Because although it isn't 1000 dollars for a chocolate bar here in Canada, it is 1 dollar. When 40 years ago it was 10 cents for a chocolate bar, I earned 3 dollars per hour at work and enjoyed a better standard of life than I do making 30 dollars per hour today. Inflation is rising faster today than it did in the 40 years until now, so at that rate we'll be paying 15 dollars for a chocolate bar in the year 2050!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Ok, sorry to make that assumption. I thought you didn't know. So are you saying we should round everything up to the nearest dime?
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Quote: So are you saying we should round everything up to the nearest dime? I'm saying, since it costs more to make paper money hard to counterfeit than it does small coins. That eventually we will have to start dropping zeros off of our money because after the penny it will be the nickel then the dime... If it keeps going at this rate, in 40 years people will have to earn 400 dollars per hour to be equivalent to today's 30 dollars per hour. So yes if the government steps in with a 10 percent reduction. Minimum wage would go from 10 dollars per hour down to 1 dollar per hour, and something that costs 50 dollars in the store would cost 5.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote: The Canadian government has no right to melt US pennies i was reading a little this morning about defacing currency, I am not 100%, but the way I understood it is that the US gov't makes it illegal to deface ANY legal currency (not just US) but in Canada it is only illegal to deface Canadian currency. regardless, if copper US cents get shipped back to the mint as part of the alloy recovery program it would be almost impossible to weed them out.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote: i was reading a little this morning about defacing currency, I am not 100%, but the way I understood it is that the US gov't makes it illegal to deface ANY legal currency (not just US) but in Canada it is only illegal to deface Canadian currency. I get around 12 percent of US pennies in rolls. Let's just make it 10 percent (due to the fact that I'm only 35km away from the border). If the melting company melts one million pennies, 100000 of them would be US. Also, the US Mint website does state laws upon melting coins. This would become political if your idea is correct. Canada would make money on US currency. Imagine the copper and zinc price for 100000 US pennies. Also, I think that machines in the mint or melting company could detect US currency and I'm sure that they would sort them by year.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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The week after the government announced the change, my local pizza place adjusted their pricing so the slice + pop = $6 (instead of $5.99). Ask yourself how many vendors actually want to deal with the trouble of obtaining rolls and rolls of pennies for change. Vendors will embrace the elimination. They certainly will not expend massive effort and cost to obtain US rolls. And I think most consumers see the 1c as absolutely useless. Rolling them and taking them to the bank is a complete waste of time, so they sit in jars and drawers. The only the reason the Americans are following suit is because of the zinc planchet lobby doesn't want to lose business. US 1c cost them 2.4 cents to make and put into circulation. As for the US 1c in circulation here, the mint has done alloy recovery for years and years. What do they do with US coins?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I agree that penny rolling is a complete waste of time.
I disagree that the minimum wage should be increased even more. What should decrease is the cost of production via honest money backed with solid commodities AND solid industry. Of course I'm constantly seeing things wrong with the world so don't mind me one bit; I'm a bitter fool. But, having worked for minimum wage, I can tell you that from the perspective of the businessman having to pay your workers that even THAT is high, and what is slim is the profit margins of one's company. Unless you're making a killing it's not even worth getting into any business at all. The average daily wage is about $70-90, when 20 years ago it was $40-50 on minimum wage. It's just nuts! Minimum wage isn't too low, it's that the cost of products is too high and people don't really realize that because "more is better". I wish things could cost 1 cent again so that we could actually use the resources that are already have in our hands! There are trillions of pennies around to use and now they're worthless.
Anyways, I think that it should stop at the nickel because the poor working class will be dissatisfied with everything at 25 cent intervals, quoting not being able to save money for the future. If the issue is counterfeiting then we should use precious metals to curtail this.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: The Canadian government has no right to melt US pennies Sure they do, there is nothing to stop Canada from melting US cents that enter circulation in Canada. However, they could not import large quantities for the express purpose of melting. One of the provisions of the melt ban is an export limit of $100 for shipments and $5 for travellers. Quote: the way I understood it is that the US gov't makes it illegal to deface ANY legal currency It is illegal to deface paper currency but coins are fair game. The only exception is the current ban on melting cents and nickels but there is nothing to stop you from drilling a hole in them or squishing them flat.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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US coins are the properties of United States. I don't know about international currency laws, but United States must have the right to do whatever they could in order to protect their property. Other than that, US will eliminate pennies shortly as it becomes more and more useless. I am sure that melting companies will own sorting machines to pull out US pennies and sort years.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote: squishing them flat. Why are there so many Traditional Chinese characters that don't make any sense together?
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