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Pillar of the Community
United States
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he just told me the slab is in pieces and he cant show me any of it
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Valued Member
United States
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The pieces of a shattered slab are meaningless. The coin offered could have easily been manipulated after removal, and furthermore, there is no way to verify that the coin offered is the coin that was encapsulated in the shattered holder.
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Valued Member
United States
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Furthermore, if you study the feedback of this seller , you will observe that this ebay member is a frequent customer of Robert Johnson a.k.a. centsles. Need I state any more? |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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His attitude alone should be a warning. "Either way I win!!" Yeah, uh, you should be concerned about your CUSTOMER winning. Your very attitude suggests you know you're scamming.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4337 Posts |
here was his last communication to me:
"I to am a dealer and I dont believe this coin to be whizzed as the community is thinking it is but I will reslab it at ngc if it doesn't sell this trip. Then after being slabbed I will raise the price to justify the grade as a ms-64 or better will not sell for less than a grand"
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
36841 Posts |
Most people keep the TPG label when they break coins out of the slab. They don't keep the plastic pieces. First the coin is from an estate sale, then he's a dealer and doesn't care if it sells. Frankly, I would stay away from this guy. And yes, that turkey he is pushing as a proof-64 then MS-64 IS whizzed. When zooming in on the photos, hairline scratches are visible. |
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Valued Member
United States
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Looks like a lot of us have emailed him. This seller, just put up this semi-disclaimer: Quote:
P.S. I have had several e-mails trying to explain to me that this coin has been whizzed. So if you think its been whizzed and still looks like a ms-sixty-five coin then dont bid. If you think its the real deal I priced this coin at ms-sixty money so does whizzing take the value down that much? That is the ultimate question. And if it does take it down then why are so many of you sending me offers that are close to the starting price but just not quiet there yet? Well as a dealer/collector I think I know coins pretty well and it will sell this trip or go back for many years in a vault. Either way I win! |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Guy's a jerk, is what he is.
And a question: I've heard the term "whizzed" thrown around, but not sure what it is. Having babysat for little boys going through the "disgusting toilet humour" phase of their lives, I'm sure you can guess what I associate the word with. Can someone explain, please?
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Valued Member
United States
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I image "whizz" is the sound a Drumel with a buffer makes as you drag it across the coin. For harshly whizzed, change the buffer to sandpaper.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote:
And a question: I've heard the term "whizzed" thrown around, but not sure what it is. It is when a powered rotating brush is used to make the fields of a look cleaner, it takes away metal and thus detail and usually leaves hairlines behind. The cartwheel luster effect on a coin is broken. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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 Joe nailed it. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1227 Posts |
Thanks guys! And especially Joe, for the detailed description.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1372 Posts |
The seller has one negative feedback, apparently "called" for foisting a 1928 Peace dollar that was "puttied" ... so he calls the buyer an "idiot" and blocks him from bidding future auctions. Another coin that was doctored with no mention of it in the listing. I guess I don't understand the premise that "If you think it's been whizzed and still looks like an MS65 coin" ..then asks how much "whizzing" degrades the coin's value. I think it's been whizzed and bears absolutley no resemblance to an MS-65 coin. I wouldn't pay VF money for it. Like I said ... Run, Forrest. Chance Edited by Chancellor Sutler
08/12/2012 9:53 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Usually they don't whiz an MS coin. They take EF and AU's to try to make them look BU. This coin looks like it may have started as an AU before it was worked on.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Probably the most common reason for doing it nowadays, especially on MS coins, is to get rid of PVC damage. Lots of coins were sold to novices as "investments" ... and were subjected to long term storage in PVC flips.
They ended up etched and damaged. That's the only scenario where I can imagine a MS coin would be a candidate for "whizzing".
The seller can spin whatever yarn he wants to ... that coin's been whizzed.
Chance
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Posted 08/12/2012 7:19 pm
