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US To Move To Only Dimes And Halves?

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 Posted 08/19/2012  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cladking to your friends list
I like the idea but it's pretty expensive.

The cheapest way to fix the mess is to switch the nickel to aluminum and remove its legal tender status and to eliminate the cent and dollar bill. This actually saves money and the recalled coins can be melted for profit.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  02:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list
I dislike the idea because it's too much, all at once. Nobody will take well to a completely revamped system thrown on them all at one time (look at how decimalization went for Britain--as late as the 90s I could STILL flip on British TV or read a British newsmagazine and hear them complaining about it), especially with the world going through a recession right now.

As for revaluing the dollar, n9, I encourage you to read "The Running Man" by Stephen King (under the pseudonym Richard Bachman). In that book, the exact thing you've proposed has happened, and New Currency is all made out of plastic. Some places will not even accept Old Currency (e.g., at one point the main character needs to use a pay phone--keep in mind this story was written in the 1970s--and is told he'll have to trade a dollar's worth of Old Quarters to get the two New Quarters he needs).

The problem? New Currency was made available to the wealthy first, and they promptly used it to segregate the country into poor slaves and wealthy upper crust. That's not an exaggeration, either--people from the main character's side of the Hudson River are actually not allowed to have New Currency. It's a crime, as is working a whole slew of better-paying jobs. How long did it take to put this in place? Only about seventy years from end to end, which, if you think about it, is absolutely frightening (this book also predicted the rise of reality television thirty years before it happened and also postulated the idea that we might be poisoning our air far more than we knew long before King had anything to back that idea up, so don't just brush it off as pure fiction, either--he was onto something).

With the political climate standing as it is, I hesitate to suggest a revaluing of anything, because it's our vulnerable--poor folks paid in cash--who would suffer. I don't think it's a good idea unless all the old money is immediately withdrawn from circulation and everyone is given a fair shot at the new currency.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  02:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
Except we dont live in the totalitarian government that was present in the running man. Well go to civil war before that happens in America.

The problem with revaluing the currency to have it worth more isn't the Running Man, its trade. Yes it would be easier for us if our money was worth more like in the old days, but it would kill our exports. Everything would become more expensive for other nations to buy and their would be cheaper alternatives for them to shop. Basically wed just be a buyer and no longer an exporter which would destroy a lot of manufacturing jobs and probably put the entire middle of the country on welfare.

Its a nice idea to be able to buy things again with change but its just not a practical solution and wont happen without a period of hyperinflation first which would eventually need to be corrected unless we like the idea of trillion dollar bills.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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Yes it would be easier for us if our money was worth more like in the old days, but it would kill our exports. Everything would become more expensive for other nations to buy and their would be cheaper alternatives for them to shop.

This is the one best reason to go all plastic. Eventually on Earth this will HAVE to happen. The reason is even now becomimg apparent. How much is a 42" Sony TV in Russia? How much for the same one in India? Brazil, New York?
International trading just has to go all digital and done with plastic. No more monitary systems anywhere. You go to a store anywhere on Earth and the computers say how much you pay via your plastic card. You no longer have to woneder how much an Apple costs in the Belgium Congo, Argentina, Iran, etc. since it's all done by computers via a plastic card.
The only real problem with the above is how would our politidcians get their kick backs.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  3:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
I agree eventually we will be on some sort of all plastic system when that day is who knows. But at least in our lifetime I dont think that would really solve the price differences between here and other countries. Even if the companies got them at the same price there would still need to be markups from those areas from the cost of employees and keeping stores open here ect which are one of the bigger reasons our prices are higher. Certainly in some areas of the country prices are higher because they can be but also land is more expensive in those areas making prices higher.

Its kind of one of those tradeoffs. Raising minimum wage would give some people more money but they may end up having a higher cost of living as it drives the costs of goods up. Assuming nothing drastic happens the most practical solution seems to be just adjusting what the currency is as no one wants to see people making 10 cents a day like in China where we just will never be able to compete with their cheap labor in that sense
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 Posted 08/19/2012  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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What you really need is to bring back the $2 bill and retract every $1 bill by force.

I'm not a currency collector so not sure but on many occations lately I've asked for and received what looks like new $2 bills at banks. And I get those same lousy looks when spending them as with the baby sized dollar coins.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
It is odd how 2 dollar bills dont seem to circulate yet they are always available at banks
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 Posted 08/19/2012  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GRR to your friends list
Really...Removing the 1 dollar bill, and forcing the $1 coin and using the 2 dollar bill would save plenty of money. probably wouldn't have to eliminate the penny or nickel to brake even then.
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 Posted 08/20/2012  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GerrodH to your friends list
As long as we're proposing huge monetary changes, I suggest we bring back the $500 and $1000.
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 Posted 08/20/2012  10:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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Really...Removing the 1 dollar bill, and forcing the $1 coin and using the 2 dollar bill would save plenty of money. probably wouldn't have to eliminate the penny or nickel to brake even then.

The real problem is the majority of people just don't like those baby sized dollar coins. Removing the 1 dollar bill would also drive people nuts. You buy something for $4, hand them a $5, get back a pile of coins. WAy to many people just don't like to carry anything heavy. All hat extra weight? Now if there were $1, $2, $3, $4 and up dollar bills up to $100, so much would be all in paper.
To make this work, everything would now have to be in dollar only prices.

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Carl could you imagine the dansco type set albums for that lol

I could forsee a Dansco Type Set Album being about 10 feet or more wide is there were coins made of each denomination and Mint. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc. all the way to $1. And then too, one proof of each?
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 Posted 08/20/2012  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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probably wouldn't have to eliminate the penny
No, the cent has to go.

Change is necessary, but keep it simple at first. We only need to eliminate the cent and dollar now. Maybe eliminate the nickel in the future.
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 Posted 08/20/2012  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
OR lower the prices on everything. This way a Cent would be a necessity. Like a roll back to the 40's prices on everything.
Everyone keeps on nagging about getting rid of the Cent, Nickel, Dollar bill but so few say lets just roll back all prices on everything. Completely roll all back. Then a Candy bar that I used to get for $0.02 would still be $0.02 instead of almost a dollar. Then a Cent would be used more for a Cent. Just imagine purchasing a new car for a few Hundred dollars.
So why not? Just cut everything by about 75%. Wages, salaries, the price of a loaf of bread, gas for your car and on and on aod on. So why not?
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 Posted 08/20/2012  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
Because people with savings in cash would be millionaires overnight.
Hey Carl, have you seen that Michael Douglas movie "Falling Down" where he forcibly rolls back prices to the 1960s at a convenience store at bat-point? Funny stuff!
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 Posted 08/20/2012  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add slowaltima to your friends list
I like the idea, but after thinking more on this, do agree with jbuck. Eliminate the penny and the dollar bill, allow people to get used to it, and then remove the nickel. Remove the quarter as well in the future. A 20 cent coin might become necessary at that point. And the banks need to push $2 bills as well. I think everything is going the way of plastic credit cards, but the monetary system needs to be revamped for those who still use coins.
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 Posted 08/21/2012  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clairhardesty to your friends list
I don't like the 2s. I think dime, half, dollar, and five dollar coins and 10, 50, and 100 dollar bills is enough. If you want four of each add a five dollar bill and give people a little choice. Get rid of the little coins and the twenty dollar bill that is so amazingly offensive to many Native Americans (and never put AJ's image on money again). All of our ideas are pro-gress and since con-gress has to make it happen it won't.
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