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Bedrock of the Community
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Just other tidbit about ebay, the inventory of the big shops on there is not always the same on ebay as it is their normal website. LC Coins for example has different things listed on the two sites while others may have the same things listed just waiting to see where itll sell first. In such cases their real website can sometimes be cheaper than the ebay listing without the added fees
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New Member
United States
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Interesting question. I'm dealing with the same issue myself. I've found the coins I got on ebay weren't exactly what I was expecting. Some sellers put GREAT pictures on the site for a good representation, others don't. I am surprised at the difference of what a google search shows for the price of a 1939-D Jefferson nickel, and what they are selling for on ebay. ebay seems high, and many say "uncirculated" but then the hair looks like a little wear or steps have wear. I'm not an expert, so I'm leery to spend a lot of money on ebay. I guess I'll have to find some local dealer in San Diego for guidance. Now that I've spent a considerable sum on ebay I guess it's time to get a lot more educated,
Edited by vela123321 08/24/2012 09:44 am
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Valued Member
United States
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Where to buy your coins is one of those timeless questions that everyone faces irregardless of your experience level. The first thing you must realize that there really is no safe place for a novice to buy coins at a fair price. THere are good and bad in ebay, coin shops and coin shops. All sellers have to seek a profit and will prey on the unknowledgable novice. Your best method of prevention is to arm yourself with knowledge. Buy a Red Book and read up on the series you want to collect. Look as thouands of coins online and in person before you spend any money. Knowledge is the best way to defend yourself from those looking to take advantage of your inexperience. There are swindlers at all points of sale ..never forget this.
Edited by Andrew289 08/24/2012 08:02 am
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United States
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SO often we see posts here asking ..how did I do? did I pay to much? I have to laugh at those because of the old saying that a fool and his money are soon parted. Would you buy a car without knowing what you are buying? would you buy an engagement ring without doing research? would you let a stranger babysit your child without checking references? Hopefully the answer is no.
Why do you spend hundreds and thousands of dollars on coins when you don't know what they are worth? It's rediculous to the point of being funny but it's really just sad. I feel for those going in blind and tossing away money they could use for their family. It's just pure waste.
But we all have free will and make our own choices. SO, man up and don't waste your money of shiny objects or worse ..coins in plastic that have a MS or PF number on them. DOn't waste your money on a 70 when a 69 looks the same to the naked eye and you will still be able to buy groceries. I know this is going in one ear and out the other of many who have more money than sense ..but these folks will be a continued source of ammusement to the forum members who bust a gut laughing when the next How did I do post is made.
I look forward to future entertainment value...bring it on.
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Oh ..sorry I thought you were investing in coins but now I see you just want a set of State Quarters for bragging rights. From the get go you must realized that it costs more to slab a State Quarter than the coin is actually worth so right off the bat, you will over pay for a slabbed set. Realizing this ..buy at will where ever you find the cheapest with the number on the paper in the plastic you want. These won't appreciate much at all ..so all that you are paying for is the "my sets better than your set" aura of superiority.
Edited by Andrew289 08/24/2012 08:59 am
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United States
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Don't be sorry Andrew289, there are others out here reading this post too with other coin targets. Is the RedBook reliable? It seems the items I watch on ebay sell for more than my RedBook listing.?. Does that mean ebay buyers usually overpay? Is the RedBook value substantially different than the prices in the online PGCS $14 dollar a month database? I now won't buy a coin on ebay that doesn't have a perfectly clean photo to see front and back of the coin. I also like to look at my grading book, take a guess at wat I think the value is, and then compare after the auction closes. It's just takes a lot of patients! I also think maybe there is more of a chance to get in an auction with novices who drive the price up on modern quarters more than on something like early full cents. I dont like "buy it now" listings. I've only done one "buy it now" for a lower grade 1773 Virginia halfpenny because I wanted a colonial coin for my collection, but I wasn't willing to spend a lot for the coin. The 2010 RedBook showed $50 and I spent $65. With my limited time (job and 2young kids) I was okay with this. Thanks again to the poster and all the replies. Very helpful. Anyway... As long as we're having fun! I don't think I would ever post a coin and ask "did I get a good deal" but maybe someday I'll post a couple of "look at this one I know I paid too much for!"
Edited by vela123321 08/24/2012 10:09 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Andrew289; Mint state states quarters do not exist in MS-70 though there are a few in MS-69. If you ever looked at an MS-69 you'd see a few things. First off you'd see it was far nicer than any states coin you've ever seen before. Second you'd quickly come to find that there are not a lot of MS-68's either. Several of the things you said simply are not true. Most importantly though is the implication that the coins have no value and nowhere is this more wrong than at the MS-66 and 67 level. These coins in slabs often sell for only a few dollars which is a fraction of the grading charge. They are "mistakes", people believed they would grade higher but they didn't so they sell on the market. Since demand is weak they are less than grading fees yet will generally at least be choice for their grade. The highest grade states coin bring a lot of money but compared to the population they could be the biggest bargains out there. People have the idea that modern coins are cheap because they are common but nothing could be further from the truth. There are hundreds of US a world coins that I've sought for 36 years now and have been unable to find. Some of these coins have gone straight through the roof in the last few years because others are now seeking them as well. Sure, something like a "common" 1950-E E German 10p now lists for $1300 instead of 50c but there are still a lot of 50c coins out there that can't be found. In my opinion some of the best bargains are US coins and the pricing structure will have to change when people start collecting these someday. I agree with you that investing in coins is a losing proposition. I believe this appliers to all coins. Collectors almost always do better because they learn more and have fun doing it. It's knowledge that is more likely to lead to profit and enjoyment. I also agree that someone should know what he's doing before spending a lot of money on something he doesn't understand.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
Edited by cladking 08/24/2012 11:53 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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1. Purchase a few year old Red Book by Whitman Publishing. About a 3 or 4 year old one would have more realiztic prices. 2. The Red Book is great for information but due to so many coins in the USA, that book too is limited for all coins.' 3. ebay is getting more and more full of counterfeits, fakes, junk, poor photos, lost in mail, fees for almost everything and then you still don't get what you wanted. 4. Be carefull of ebay feedback stuff. When my Son was in college he said the kids sold all sorts of garbage on ebay. They all got together and sent in fantastic great feedbacks for each other. 5. Discuss any coins you are planning on buying with members of this forum. Can't go wrong with lots of free advice. 6. Be carefull of gradings. Even from a so called reliable TPGS. Remember that those coins are graded by people and people make errors. 7. Seldom believe some coin store person saying a coin is MS-66. They sometimes know as much or less than you. 8. Check for coin shows and/or coin clubs in your area. 9. Send any unused money to me. Then I can buy all the coins you couldn't afford. 
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote:Is the RedBook reliable? It seems the items I watch on ebay sell for more than my RedBook listing.?. Does that mean ebay buyers usually overpay? Is the RedBook value substantially different than the prices in the online PGCS $14 dollar a month database? Some ebay prices will be a tick high just because sellers lose 10-15% in ebay and paypal fees. That said I dunno about the Red Book prices and how accurate they are. I generally use http://www.numismedia.com/fmv/fmv.shtml and completed ebay listings because ebay actually shows what people are currently paying. Price guide can list FMVs all day long but is people arent paying it they arent paying it. Like carl said dont trust coin shops just because they say something. A lot of people say theyre the better place to go, and they may have great shops in their area, but that doesn't mean the shops around you will be great. Just because you own a store doesn't make you any better at anything or any more honest. At least with the internet you can price search when you find something and get an idea or research where in a shop youre kind of hung out to dry. Its an unfortunate reality but theres bad sellers everywhere, online, in person, at coin shows. It just comes with the territory. My local shops are over priced, so I do most of my dealings online and ebay in particular. Through ebay sales I've managed to build a relationship with a dealer in wyoming and one in fla who deal in different collections I'm working on and now when I see things I like they have I can get their off ebay prices and just deal directly with them or just ask them if they have something. A lot of it is a lot like buying a used car. No matter where you get it from the trick is to find the honest seller that isn't just blowing smoke up youre you know what
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Vela The Red Book is not a reliable pricing guide. It's good for pictures and information. Its a good read for anyone just starting out and it might turn you on to a coin series that you never knew existed. Learning to grade on your own and not rely on the number on the label is the most valuable skill a collector can arm himself with. It's your first and main line of defense and in some cases; offense. Cladking, As I stated in my third post, I didn't realize that all he wanted to buy were State Quarters until after I posted the first 2. When you take that fact into consideration, all my statements in my first two posts are true when you don't apply then to mint State Quarters. Thanks for keeping it honest in the forums and the State Quarter tutorial. Much appreciated.
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New Member
 United States
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I just bought the Red Book edition of this year, and it has really helped me out as a beginner with understanding all the types of coins available.
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United Kingdom
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Hi, I have just bought 6 of 50 states sets by the Collectors Alliance on ebay. The CA sells these for $19.99 each and I picked them up for $10 the lot. They are nice little sets, all uc and 2 gold plated. So although they may be overpriced on their website, you can pick up a bargain. Andy
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United States
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I just have to add my opinion here, and without the intention of being offensive. Andrew289, you have some good advice, but I don't want the newbies to be jaded against all coin dealers and sellers. Yes, I have met some disrebutable coin dealers. We learn by our mistakes, no way around that one. So, newbies beware; be cautious. Still, I currently deal with a group of honest and helpful people in my local coin shop. They sell me coins at fair prices; never impose their likes on me, though they will advise/comment when I push them to do so; buy back anything they sell me; and they are a great resource. And I think that buying graded coins is a good strategy for those of us who cannot evaluate coins as well as the graders. And, in any case, PCGS- and NGC-graded coins have a standard market value that is good for both buyers and seller, and they offer protection against purchasing fraudulent coins.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Judge a dealer the way you judge a person in general. If they are rude and standoffish you'll do well to seek new friends. But also take advice lightly if they're in the position to sell you something.
I often go to a certain tool shop and there's one clerk who constantly says I'm getting a good deal or that tool is great, blah blah, but then you go back for something different and you're more educated on the tool and he says the same thing - he's a trained parrot. At first it's helpful to be guided along, but as you learn things you will brush off the BS. So repeat visits may help you gauge a person better than a single viewing will.
Also, be sure you're going to a coin place and not a bullion place or antique place. Although the latter two will sometimes have coins, they often have no idea what they have and when you tell them their coins are overpriced they look at you like you're a pirate with something gross growing from your face. They get really offended when you tell them that they're not in the coin business to set prices above retail, so just be kind and never lose your temper because they're judging you the same way you're judging them and nice deals come easier if you're not a tough customer to please - they come naturally because they genuinely like you - you can't really say that about a big coin store the way you can about your Mom'n'Pop where they know your face.
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United States
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I'm not familiar with Collector's Alliance, so I don't know what to tell you there. ebay is something to be careful with. Occasional attractively priced "good deals" can be found but at the same time, horror stories abound and conspicuous scammers are not uncommon. Caution is required. Spend enough time reading through threads here and you'll find many such stories. I've made a number of satisfactory ebay purchases but when shopping there, I consider caution to be the order of the day.
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