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 Posted 08/24/2012  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
I've spent the last 30 minutes looking through Sears Greek Coins and their values, vol 2. I'm more confused now than when I started. The bust look so much alike.
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 Posted 08/24/2012  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
I'm no expert on these, and I don't want to dismiss a coin out of hand...I hope it's real.
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 Posted 08/24/2012  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
Sorry, but it's definitely a replica. The portrait is very crude for a gold coin and the eagle on the other side is barely recognizable as a bird. I'd also agree that it's a copy of a silver coin, the one Dionysos mentioned. Wildwwinds example.

Your coin might be genuine gold, but it's not a genuine ancient coin.
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 Posted 08/24/2012  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list
Stylistically, the busts and overall style are quite characteristics on the later ptolemaic tets (Ptolemy X and XII). Hard to part these latest 2 though...

Ptolemy X, svoronos 1680...

http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=530323

Ptolemy XII, svoronos 1867...

http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=497724

Same monograms in fields.... Stylewise, if the prior attibutions from acsearch are correct, I would now tend to think that it's Ptolemy X ?
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 Posted 08/24/2012  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list
Ummmm? ... well even "if" it is real, then what an absolute disaster that some jerk decided to make a necklace outta it ... eeccch, that's just nasty, no?



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 Posted 08/24/2012  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list

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Ptolemy X, svoronos 1680...
The portrait sure looks similar in style, although the flan is really wavy on the reverse--does that happen on genuine coins?
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 Posted 08/24/2012  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list
"The portrait sure looks similar in style, although the flan is really wavy on the reverse--does that happen on genuine coins?"

Reverse is weird looking indeed (style, wave/bump ?). I wouldn't say for sure that it's genuine from those pics and with no weight... But there's a chance that it is and, if not, it is probably what it's intended to be
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 Posted 08/25/2012  01:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TallestTree to your friends list

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stevex6: Ummmm? ... well even "if" it is real, then what an absolute disaster that some jerk decided to make a necklace outta it ...


That jerk was likely my grandmother. She passed it on to me.


But I do agree making it a necklace bound that way was not a good idea. My grandfather was a metallurgist with degrees from M.I.T. and they traveled the world with his work, so I have no idea where it was purchased, but they did have oodles of disposable income.

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 Posted 08/25/2012  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list
Im late I see... It doesn't appear real to me although it kind of looks like mine.


Ptolemaic Kingdom, Ptolemy XII Neos Dionysos, 80 - 58 B.C. and 55 - 51 B.C.
All references list Alexandria as the mint. However, the ΠÎ' monogram is unmistakably the mint mark of Paphos, Cyprus. 13.77g



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 Posted 08/25/2012  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list
The reverse is quite similar to this other Ptolemy X.

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Would definitely need some clearer pics...
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 Posted 08/25/2012  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list
*awkward*

=> hey sorry, TallestTree ... I guess I should have read your thread from the beginning?!! (I didn't mean to disrespect your Grandmother) ...


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 Posted 08/26/2012  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TallestTree to your friends list
No worries stevex6. It shows you genuinely care about coins and concern in my quest to determine whether this coin (in a terrible mount setting) is authentic.
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 Posted 08/26/2012  11:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TallestTree to your friends list


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 Posted 08/26/2012  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TallestTree to your friends list
Dionysos, more pics in previous post. But I'm having trouble with better quality as the size limit is 100KB. I took these with two different cameras with varying light and flash combos, camera functions -- took more pics of this coin then I did at a beautiful wedding yesterday -- and these are about as good as I can get it without loosing my mind :)

Although I suppose I could crop the pics of the coin into "pieces of eight" (pun) or sections. Is there a certain area of the coin you, or others, are interested in? Also once I get my patience back, from the many pictures taken and cropping to yield only a couple semi-decent shots, I could try to do some more photos.
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 Posted 08/26/2012  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list
From the pics, the surface is quite strange on the reverse. Looks bent/wavy/bumpy (?). But the obverse is ok





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