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Pillar of the Community
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If you manufactured fake bars you wouldnt care how long they are in the market, all you would care is that you made the initial sale. Actually, they would care about this because the longer fakes can go undetected, the more difficult it becomes to track them back to the original sellers and the easier it is for the scam artists to deny any association with those particular bars. Time can be thought of as a form of distance and no thief wants to be nabbed in close proximity to their crime. As to these bars being fake, that seems a stretch given the info presented here. If the bars are carefully weighed and measured, you can calculate the density. It should be 10.49 grams/cc if this is a silver bar. The fact that it is not magnetic is good but neither is copper. While copper is lower in density than silver, it is similar in density to silver. Much closer than zinc, for example. |
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Measure the dimensions of the bar. If it's not Solid silver it can't be the exact size of the legit bar.
Chinese Fakes are flooding into the States as we speak, and it even includes the Legal Tender stuff like Eagles and Maples. Buying from top-notch sources is going to be key if it wasn't already.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Actually, they would care about this because the longer fakes can go undetected, the more difficult it becomes to track them back to the original sellers and the easier it is for the scam artists to deny any association with those particular bars. Time can be thought of as a form of distance and no thief wants to be nabbed in close proximity to their crime. Thats true depending on the country youre making them in. In the US you would be concerned about that. If you were in China they dont really seem to care about fakes if youre selling over seas or they just arent very good at catching them. The country you are making them in plays a huge role for how concerned youd be getting caught |
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If you were in China they dont really seem to care about fakes if youre selling over seas or they just arent very good at catching them. Have to agree with this. The Chinese seem to have 2 rules about producing counterfeits: 1) don't cheat other Chinese - cheating all others is OK; and 2) if you want to not be bothered by the police, bribe the necessary officials in your area.  |
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Hoping my 15month old will get into coins one day, he's already got 15 oz put away for him in the form of silver eagles and silver proof sets (including ASE25).
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He probably will if you start him early with collecting coins of some type. I started early but then got away from it because no one else in my family was doing it and I had other interests that competed for my funds. Drat! If only I had kept at it and bought silver coins at face value back in the 1960s and then roll hunted in the 1970s.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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The Chinese seem to have 2 rules about producing counterfeits: 1) don't cheat other Chinese - cheating all others is OK; and 2) if you want to not be bothered by the police, bribe the necessary officials in your area.
Unfortunately China really does operate by those laws right now. They will gladly take the added cash while defrauding other countries. Probably wont change anytime soon either |
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Pillar of the Community
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search on "ozcopper" and see more about these fake sunshine bars...among others. Sunshine minting is one of the most faked bars out there. Is best to educate yourselves than to convince yourself you are right without the facts first. After doing some research...i am about 100% possitive these bars are fakes.
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They will gladly take the added cash while defrauding other countries. Probably wont change anytime soon either Indeed. Maters of national policy change slowly, if at all, in China... and virtually nothing happens there that is not a matter of national policy. Such is usually the case in a police state. |
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Agreed. Being a police state only confirms that are fine with it as they have a lot more power to bring the hammer down on it then we do
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Bedrock of the Community
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It is fairly easy to determine if they are fake. If they're non-magnetic, they would be larger than silver bars. They would be (primarily) copper and almost 20% larger than a solid silver bar.
It's hard to miss, 20% thicker (usually the dimension expanded) is very noticeable.
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@BH1964, I agree, the bars that I received were much thicker than the real stuff. I mean, they also look very sharply rectangular compared to the more wider genuine Sunshine Minting Bar. Anyways, I successfully returned them and got my full refund. Thanks for the responses guys, and please continue to help spread the word about fakes out there.
Sooner or later we'll probably need silver foil in rolls lol.
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09/04/2012 01:06 am
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Based on density alone, silver is easy to fake: an alloy of 20% tin and 80% lead has the same density as silver, and is readily available. However, this alloy would fail both the magnet test (noticeably lower conductivity) and the ring test. Thus, just because the bar has the right dimensions and weight does not make it authentic; more tests are required (magnet/ring) to conclude authenticity.
IMHO, the acid test is useless because if you're going to make fakes, then you're going to silver plate them anyways to make them look right. I just can't see why you would ever do the acid test on, well, pretty much anything silver...
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just cut the thing open This thread is over 2 years old Edited by jasper62
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