1858 Indian Cent? Help!!

So one question that remains, is, who cracked this coin from its slab? It was auctioned, slabbed, on Heritage July 15, and listed on ebay, raw, by chamblee56 on Sept 1, but it's by no means proven that he cracked it or knowingly misrepresented it. When did rum's "lady" list it on ebay? Did she list it raw, as all her currently-listed coins seem to be?

When it last sold on July 15, $862.50 was deemed the value.
Any guesses what the raw coin (without condition details) will go for?
I suspect the final rally will break $950.

Fenton, I will address your valid concern with a detail you may be unaware of: we know the physical location of all who post here, as well as that of ebay sellers. The coin sales market is not...disconnected, and I urge you to consider this, especially when evaluating how we choose to react.

Very bizarre thread. Rum posted a unique picture of a coin that CCF members attributed. Immediately thereafter, Chamblee posted an auction on ebay with a different photo of the same coin and the CCF attribution. CCF members spotted this and alerted ebay. Immediately following that, Rum got very defensive and concocted a story that photos from his dad must have been stolen. Immediately following that, Chamblee showed up here as a new member and posted he was not associated with Rum. Chamblee then posted yet another photo of the coin to "prove" it was his and not Rums. Rum followed up by claiming that he got the photo from some other ebay member who presumably sold the coin to Chamblee.

And at the end of that utterly bizarre sequence, CCF administrations accuse me of being "flat out wrong" for speculating that these two individuals may be one and the same. The reason given is, presumably, that the IP addresses they use to post are from different geographical regions. That's reasonable but let me cite that there are 5000 or so anonymous proxies out there on the Internet that allow IP address to be masked. Using one of them is as simple as going to browser settings and configuring a proxy. The type of person who tries to scam people on ebay would be very familiar with that and other methods of preserving anonymity particularly if the merchandise were stolen.

Wait, if I may ask, this thread has confused me incredibly, are they both the same perpsn?

SsDd . . I really enjoy this forum for the "lively discussions" that sometimes erupt. Thank you and the other moderators for the fine jobs you do controlling them.

Now that you've chimed in, BadThad, there's no one more qualified to tell us whether verdigris was removed from the reverse of this coin, and whether more was removed after leaving its prior slab. What do you think?

Time to put this baby to bed.




We are well aware of how IP addresses and proxies work. And just an FYI, there's probably more than 5,000 in Pakistan alone. We have tools for this.

Chamblee56 was sent an email by one of our members with a link and gave us a heads up, when he got here his general area was mapped to almost 700 miles from where the auction stated. When confronted privately about this discrepancy we were ignored. If he was going to use a proxy here, he would have made those match.

rum_n_cola then fesses up and points to the seller from which he got the pictures he posted. General area of those listings matches Chamblee56 general area.

Conclusions should be fairly consistent across the board.

rum_n_cola gets a two week vacation. Don't think I need to explain the other guy.