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$2 Coin Struck On Foreign Holed Planchet Or Washer

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Pillar of the Community
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 Posted 09/03/2012  02:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list
Im suprised it struck up so well, especially in the centre
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 Posted 09/03/2012  02:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list
Very nice error ! I'm guessing that these questions would have been research but I'm going ask them anyway,is there a country/ies in the world that still use steel in coins ? & if so do any have that specific weight for their coins ?
I'm going to get my world coin books out & go through page by page & see what I can find,again probably already been done but gives me something to do anyway.
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 Posted 09/03/2012  03:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add the-purple-penny to your friends list
It's not our coin but I believe it was an ebay find but not recently.

Apple get out the coin books, I hope you do better than me!! There are many countries that use ferrous coins that are magnetic such as nickel coated steel composition.
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Australia
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 Posted 09/03/2012  04:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I do not know of ANY standard planchet of near approximation to the Aussie $2 planchet from any other country, that has a hole.

Therefore,

The 'planchet' for this coin is most probably a washer. I have never seen a brass washer of this thickness and diameter. The colour of the pictures indecisive, the 'washer' could be brass plated. It is reported as being magnetic.
I wonder what is the thickness of this 'coin' is ?

or,

It could bean illegal 'mint sport', where a standard planchet was holed, and fed into the press, and this is the result. With the rate that a modern mint press can operate, this little guy would have been very hard to recover it it had been buried. In this case it must have missed a weighing test later on. Normally it would have been removed with the low weight bitten edge errors. If it has come from the MInt, the hole would have been punched, not drilled.

or,

I still can't get my mind away from it being a 'shed job', however. In this case, the hole may well have been punched out in a powerful press, rather than having being drilled out.
I wonder if there are any signs of drilling score marks inside the hole. The pictures conveniently hide this. There is considerable edge flattening on the obverse rim, which means some force has been sustained as the result of drilling or hole punching.

My scepticism remains.

Edited by sel_69l
09/03/2012 04:23 am
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 Posted 09/03/2012  04:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ozcoins to your friends list
Sel,
Its magnetic, so its not a normal plancet
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 Posted 09/03/2012  10:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list
The Royal Mint are making brass,copper & nickel plated steel planchets for many countries these days,the questions are do they make them for any countries that have a hole in the middle ? & were they making them back in the early 90's ?
If it is nickel plated steel ( which by the colour of the reverse moreso than the obverse ) would the strike pressure we use for the $2 be much higher than the planchets are designed for & thus the strike has partially broken through the nickel plating,which may explain the patchy colouring on the obverse.
Of course all of this is just a theory,i could'nt find any world coins in my books that match in size or weight but that does'nt mean the above theory is'nt possible.

http://www.royalmint.com/business/c...-coin/armour
Edited by appleangel07
09/03/2012 6:59 pm
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 Posted 09/03/2012  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add the-purple-penny to your friends list
And what if it's a token blank and not a legal tender coin........
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 Posted 09/03/2012  6:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list
Sitting next to TPP over the last few days while she was writing this article and having seen the amount of research she's done into the error the only thing that can be said for certain is that no-one is certain what the $2 was struck on :)
Edited by markn
09/03/2012 6:04 pm
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 Posted 09/03/2012  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
It could be a "test piece" for a counterfeiter.
The $2 coin Has been forged before
Formerly nancyc
Australia
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 Posted 09/03/2012  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list
PP, do you have any more pictures of it, or can you get any more from the owner? Did you get to handle it personally?

I note that some of the rim appears to be missing, I guess to do with the strike pressure or perhaps a rounded edge of the original 'planchet'. If it's not a ‘real' coin planchet, would a higher strike pressure be needed to result in a sharper rim?

I'm a bit inclined to think it may have been a washer, but I suppose unless it can be established whether or not the manufacturer of Australian blanks also makes holed blanks for another Country the same size as is used for our $2 coin, we may never find out the real source of the original ‘blank' that it's struck on.

I do think it's 100% genuine, and in no way a case of PMD or shed job, sorry sel_691

Whichever it turns out to be, it's a great find for the owner, and thanks for showing it to us. Will there be another article about it in CAB?


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 Posted 09/03/2012  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list
Yes, with all the possibilities it is a very intriguing piece & the source may never be discovered.
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 Posted 09/03/2012  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I have no particular feelings about it either way, my first choice probability is that it was formed from a washer. If that is in fact the case, the washer was of non hardened steel.
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 Posted 09/03/2012  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add the-purple-penny to your friends list
We have only had the opportunity to view the images as you have now seen in the blog article.

Nancy have you read the latest CAB mag? Writing that article brought more of those errors and interestingly the washer $2 coin out of the woodwork. It's very interesting I like researching all these types of things but I hate it when I hit a brick wall and don't have a definite conclusion.
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 Posted 09/03/2012  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list

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Nancy have you read the latest CAB mag?
I have indeed but unfortunately, I can't remember a thing about what I read. However, I will read it again, and then, forget it again.
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 Posted 09/03/2012  10:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list
If you look at most washers, the outer edge is somewhat rounded on one side and sharp on the other. I presume it's because of how they're manufactured. Looking at this coin, you see the same thing, and it has the appearance of galvanized steel. The center hole is slightly out of round, which suggests it was made pre-strike.

I think it's almost certainly a washer. Awesome error.
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