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 Posted 09/07/2012  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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Interesting Ed - they better not touch my nest egg! I can't imagine that the American people would stand for something like this these days. The government would have a riot on their hands.

I agree 100%! Them's fightin' words! And I do not care how much flowery speech they wrap it up in... stealing my property nicely is still stealing!


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Obviously all gold held by citizens should be confiscated because the terrorists will get their greezy hands on them. [rolls eyes]

Yep... and personal firearms too... and, hey, what about all those food hoarders? They will be living large while their neighbors who didn't plan for disaster are starving. Best to divvy all that up, just to be fair.
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 Posted 09/08/2012  08:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silvercoinrn to your friends list
Those food hoarders make me laugh. anytime a SHTF synerio happens gangs will also arise. Those people are always out of shape and will have no chance of defending them selves. they are asking for a fight.
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 Posted 09/08/2012  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silvercoinrn to your friends list
"keep it secret, keep it safe"
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 Posted 09/08/2012  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list
"keep it secret, keep it safe"

Isn't that what they told Frodo, and look what happened to his ring.
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 Posted 09/08/2012  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list
For some reason everyone thinks a total melt down (SHTF) with zombies coming out of every corner.

It isn't going to happen that way, it will be a economic event similar to what Germany went through after WWI or the great depression.

So yes those that have PM and even a nice supply of food will make it through the hard times and have a better opportunity. You don't have to be in shape to make great decisions and have the right things in an emergency.

If it comes to guns then those that have it and are able to keep it secret again win.

Now when the Zombies come and you have to run the 100 in under 12 seconds I doubt anyone lasts that long.
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 Posted 09/08/2012  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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Those food hoarders make me laugh. anytime a SHTF synerio happens gangs will also arise. Those people are always out of shape and will have no chance of defending them selves. they are asking for a fight.

Yeah, a lot of unprepared people laugh about those who hope for the best but plan for the worst... until the worst happens, of course, and THEN they want to be your very best friend. <rolls eyes>

As to defending yourself, your family, and your property... some know how and some do not. It's not as if we have a big sign in our front yard, "Preppers Live Here!", lol. These idiot gangs you mention are some of the worst shots out there. Those of us who are armed, trained, and ready to repel violent people with whatever level of force necessary are not the ones who will be robbed and killed. The Korean shop-keepers in Watts during the LA riots demonstrated that already. While armed thugs were roaming the streets, unmolested by the police who were too afraid to confront them, and burning and looting stores nearby, the Koreans had their people on the roofs of their shops with shotguns and semi-automatic rifles. They did not shoot anyone. They didn't have to. All they has to do was show that they were prepared and refusing to become victims. Guess whose stores were not burned or looted.
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 Posted 09/08/2012  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
Those Koreans are my personal heroes! Good historical comparison, Ed. People become mindless thieves when society collapses, like those people looting shoe stores during the LA riots.... really? Shoes? Don't make me laugh.
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 Posted 09/08/2012  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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Now when the Zombies come and you have to run the 100 in under 12 seconds I doubt anyone lasts that long.


But Zombies have always been traditionally slow. If theyre running 12 sec 100s were all doomed
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 Posted 09/09/2012  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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But Zombies have always been traditionally slow. If theyre running 12 sec 100s were all doomed

Heh heh... I don't think that I EVER ran a sub-12 sec 100 meter dash. Not even in college when I had the Greek god body going. I was plenty strong and a very good swimmer but running just was not my thing. lol

Fortunately, my Mossy 500 is way faster than that, so Zombies beware!
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 Posted 09/10/2012  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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Fortunately, my Mossy 500 is way faster than that, so Zombies beware!


I hope your mossy is good at head shots so they dont just get up again

Barry no room is complete with out one of those
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 Posted 09/10/2012  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allranger to your friends list

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For some reason everyone thinks a total melt down (SHTF) with zombies coming out of every corner.

It isn't going to happen that way, it will be a economic event similar to what Germany went through after WWI or the great depression.


Thank you mkfarm. So many people seem to have watched to much television and motion pictures and haven't bothered to read much history. If you read from the collapse of Rome, ancient Greece, the Chinese dynasties, Germany, Argentina, Iceland, Russia, Ecuador, France, Persia, Indian you don't see what you see in the films.
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 Posted 09/10/2012  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
And how do you know the ancient societies didnt have zombies?
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 Posted 09/10/2012  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
Not that I am any fan of the zombie craze but... biological weapons unleashed in a WW III scenario could very well lead to people who are somewhat zombie-fied, say by some form of weaponized CJD (human form of mad cow disease). Odds? Very low... but definitely not zero.

Anyway, a wise person prepares for the future, whether than be good or bad. We assess the possibilities and weigh our options. Once we have ordered the possibilities, we allocate our available resources towards these potential problems in roughly the same percentage as we assign their possibility of occurrence.

That said, I would rate the possibilities as:

Highest: earthquake, flood, or storm that causes heavy damage to my local area, US financial collapse due to high debt and crummy national economic policies, serious inflation that decimates paper currencies

Moderate: outbreak of war, widespread disease / plague, collapse of electrical grid due to poor maintenance, heavy demand, and insufficient capacity

Low: possible EMP either as terrorist act or solar flare

Least: meteor impact on Earth, polar shift (?), ice age, etc.


During the initial stages of most any SHTF scenario will be the time to keep our heads down and not attract any unwanted attention to ourselves... security through obscurity, as it were.

Assuming that one survives the initial part of a possible SHTF scenario, there will come a time when trade / barter resumes. People have resources and needs to be met, so they come together to trade what they have for what they want or need. This is the point where silver and gold will be of use. Both have been recognized for 4,000+ years as money... something that everyone values and will trade for because they know it can be used to buy the things that they want or need. Besides... it is FAR easier to carry around a pouch of gold and silver coins when shopping than to carry around a cow, a stack of lumber or fire wood, or several sacks of wheat.

Other things will also be of great utility and highly desired as trade goods. These things include: hand tools, ammo, fish hooks, needles & thread, food of any kind, water purification tablets, medical supplies, matches, etc.

Then, of course, we have labor, which is an intangible. You need a cord of wood cut and split. I need some of your garden produce. We haggle, reach a price, and make the trade. I get the produce and exchange my labor for it while you get the wood you need to stay warm this winter. In cases where one of us doesn't have a trade item that the other wants, a few silver coins can be exchanged to settle the debt.

The bottom line is this: is it better to be prepared for future difficulties or not? If it is, then you know what you need to do in your location and estimate of the possible scenarios. If not, then just do whatever it is that makes you happy.
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 Posted 09/10/2012  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
The chance of them coming after the small amount of gold in private hands is far less than them confiscating IRA's and 401k's and rolling all that money into Social Security or a new form of it. Argentina did just that and you can bet our crooked politicians will eye that.
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