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Thought's On Collecting Cleaned Or Problem Copper Coins

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 Posted 09/15/2012  09:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Harry213 to your friends list

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I have seen several "details" graded coins, that 98% of collectors, would never deem them as a detail grade, if they were raw.

By details do you mean coins graded harshly cleaned or pitted, corroded, scratched. Some details can be totally overlooked, out of sight out of mind.

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I have bought cleaned coins in the past ( some unintentional )and I still have them and don't regret getting them. Like I said a cleaned coin is better than NO coin

I have also bought cleaned coins both intentionally and unintentionally The intentional one I got was dirt cheap, very old, scarce, desirable coin of a very attractive design so it doesn't bother me to own it. The unintentional was a coin I didn't look at closely when bidding, thinking it was an UNC Lincoln Cent. When received in hand it was actually an EF that was harshly cleaned. Not happy with it but the price made it easier to swallow.

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It really depends on the extent of the problem on those problem coins. I have no problem with cleaned and damaged coins as long as the price is right.

Both coins I mentioned above, in their natural state, should have been brown. Instead they were cleaned/stripped down to the shiny copper. I am focusing on copper because It is much more noticeable and detracting when cleaned, than other metals. Bright shiny worn copper coins just scream out at you. The extent of damage and type of coin is a major factor to me also. Bent, pitted, corroded on say an early and rare copper is more acceptable to me than on a modern.

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However with copper coins, because of the nature of copper, you really need to watch out for corrosion.

Do you mean corrosion due to acidic chemicals used to clean coins? I wasn't aware plain atmospheric humidity would corrode a copper coin in a relatively short period. I could see toning or mold being a result of humidity but I thought corrosion would take many years of exposure.
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 Posted 09/15/2012  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list
I too reached the point where my budget limited my ability to fill those last holes in my collection. As a boy I collected Indian Head cents and then the incomplete folder sat for decades. The original coins were averaging VG but I wanted full liberty on any new additions to the set. This coin came up on ebay and I felt I got it for a steal based on the detail. I just wish I could conserve it some way to reduce the green look.

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 Posted 09/15/2012  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Harry213 to your friends list

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This coin came up on ebay and I felt I got it for a steal based on the detail. I just wish I could conserve it some way to reduce the green look.


muddler... that 1869 IHC is a nice coin. I don't think I would label that coin as being ruined. Considering the details, and that it is a key date, I would be proud to own it. The green oxidation is natural to copper. I think its a very interesting piece.
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 Posted 09/15/2012  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Harry213 to your friends list
Speaking of oxidation here is a coin that was gifted to me by a coin dealer friend. I'm showing it as an example of what I might consider as a coin ruined by corrosion.

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09/15/2012 10:24 pm
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 Posted 09/16/2012  12:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list
"Problem coins" are FUN. They usually have stories behind them which can be more fun to collect than "non-problem coins" without them.

Stories and circumstances are actually one of the biggest reasons I collect modern counterfeits (which can sometimes be worth about the same as problem coins). :-)

It's easier to do this sort of thing as a set, though. Like a low-ball set of -- say -- Morgans: Try to complete a problem set that share similar characteristics. In the end, the set may also be worth more than the individual pieces as then *you* have added the story of collecting them to it. :-)
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09/16/2012 12:12 am
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 Posted 09/16/2012  12:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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I too reached the point where my budget limited my ability to fill those last holes in my collection. As a boy I collected Indian Head cents and then the incomplete folder sat for decades. The original coins were averaging VG but I wanted full liberty on any new additions to the set. This coin came up on ebay and I felt I got it for a steal based on the detail. I just wish I could conserve it some way to reduce the green look.

i tend to think this would be a perfect contender for " Verdi Care"
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 Posted 09/16/2012  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Harry213 to your friends list

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"Problem coins" are FUN. They usually have stories behind them which can be more fun to collect than "non-problem coins" without them. Stories and circumstances are.............


Yes I agree and it reminds me of a conversation I had with a seller at a coin show. I was looking through his $1 junk box and came across a few "problem" early 1800's large copper penny tokens from Canada's colonial period. These are relatively scarce and intriguing to collect, and so I am fond of them already to begin with. The one's in the $1 junk box were either holed, bent, worn smooth or all of the above. As I held them in my hand I looked over and asked the seller what his thoughts were on holed coins. He grabbed one coin and pointed out the square nail hole, before he could say a word, I suddenly got it. There was no need to tell the story of how the "lucky" penny may have been nailed on a tavern wall or door post almost 200 years ago. I was already there.
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 Posted 09/16/2012  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
I have purchased many so called cleaned coins. However, never, ever on ebay or any web site. I only buy coins at coin shows that way I can carefully inspect each one. If cleaned, I would still buy one but it would have to be in fatastic shape too. Any coin that has excessive wear and cleaned, I keep away from. With no intensions of ever selling a coin, cleaned or not makes little difference. I put most of my coins in Albums so a missing coin shows up to much so a cleaned coin for a really cheap price helps fill the Albums.
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 Posted 09/16/2012  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Harry213 to your friends list
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...:WNA:US:1123

OK so it's not a key, but here's a 1934 D red Unc. Lincoln Cent. that Numismedia list's for $20.70 in MS 63 Red. The seller's description is of a coin that photographs well but appears pinkish in hand. A previous Acetone bath is suspect according to the seller. That's fine and dandy, so it sat with a lonely bid of $1. with only 8 sec left on the clock... I couldn't resist to at least try and snipe it for $1.25, and I did I probably won't put this one in my BU Lincoln set, I just wanted to satisfy my curiosity and see this coin in hand. After watching what this coin gets in the same grade in other auctions, I still can't understand why the stigma was so high that no one at least tried for $1.50
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 Posted 09/16/2012  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
One dealer I know (won't say the name) has cleaned or dipped common pennies in the bargain bin. They look amazing (MS+) but when you get down to the nitty gritty there is a lot of lost details (not even Fine condition). I suspect that they are sold that way to entice new collectors. I don't condone it but I also don't not condone it. Buyer beware - do your homework. Buying a cleaned coin says more about your collecting/picking skills than it does about the coin or the person that sold it. All that glitters is not gold.
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 Posted 09/16/2012  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
I have Muddlers coins twin. No, Verdi-Care wont help these...



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 Posted 09/16/2012  7:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Harry213 to your friends list

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If cleaned, I would still buy one but it would have to be in fatastic shape too. Any coin that has excessive wear and cleaned, I keep away from. With no intensions of ever selling a coin, cleaned or not makes little difference. I put most of my coins in Albums so a missing coin shows up to much so a cleaned coin for a really cheap price helps fill the Albums.


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Buyer beware - do your homework. Buying a cleaned coin says more about your collecting/picking skills than it does about the coin or the person that sold it. All that glitters is not gold.


The times when I have spontaneously bought a Problem coin it was because it was a coin I liked or interest me, and it was cheap. I did not buy with the intent of selling or making money on it, but purely to own it, study it, maybe even experiment with it. I did not buy it to put on display, I put it away and once in awhile get it out to have a look.

However I do have high quality sets I am building with the intent of getting a return when I am too old to enjoy the hobby. And like most of us spend hours daydreaming about completing it. Everyone reaches the point in their collection when the empty hole cannot get filled with the same attention to detail as they gave the rest of the set. And a problem coin is better than no coin. It is likely that even the problem coin you buy to fill the hole will still require a sizable investment.

I think most of us try to collect the finest examples we can find and afford. I don't think you can hold it against anyone who has to stray from the norm in order to fill that empty hole. I think that will be reflected in the entire collection as a whole, not a few coins. I do think there is a fine line to being able to pull that off with taste, aesthetics and the possibility of getting your investment back when its time to sell. And that's kind of what I am hoping to get views and examples of.

And By the way I am really digging those green Indians, I think they have real character.
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 Posted 09/16/2012  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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And By the way I am really digging those green Indians, I think they have real character.

Interesting. I never thought of making a collection of something like those. Might be a very reasonable type of collection to do.
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 Posted 09/16/2012  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Drsandman2 to your friends list
Patience is a virtue. Never settle for less than what you want, saying, "To heck with it, I'll just buy this cheap, polished key date."

Many of the coins I've aquired, I've spent years searching for them. Not because I couldn't find one, but because I couldn't find a NICE example at an investment price.

The green Indians are cool, don't remember finding any that detailed and evenly corroded.
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 Posted 10/08/2012  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Harry213 to your friends list
I saw this yesterday in a bargain bin, for only a buck !! I immediately thought about this thread, so I snagged it. I only wish the green was as funky as 52Raymo's or Muddler's greenie indian, but I'm happy to own it. There's some VF maybe even close to EF details under there.

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