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New Member
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Well, I went to a bookstore today and found a book about currency notes. It had a little section in the back about Fed Reserve Note errors and it would appear my error is pretty common. The value was stated at about $100. Think I'll just hang on to it. It is more fun as a conversation piece than any $100 might be.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Great find - I'm still on the hunt for one of these!
Edited by Gothic Florin 09/30/2012 12:28 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: The value was stated at about $100. Think I'll just hang on to it. It is more fun as a conversation piece than any $100 might be.
You can never go by the values in any books because they had to be written, then proof read and then go through the printing process and then distributed and so on and so on. So the values they give can be correct at the time of them writing it but be way off by the time it gets in someones hands to read it. Then we don't know what date the book you read was published either. I can tell you I have not seen one exactly like it on this forum in the almost 7 years I have been a member of this forum and have seen lesser errors sell for more on ebay than the book you had quoted. Believe me I am not saying $100.00 for a $1.00 bill is anything to laugh at I am just saying in an auction format where two or more collectors want the bill it can bring more than the book quoted it being worth
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New Member
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Frederick Bart of 'Executive Currency' sent me this email today:
"Good afternoon Chris,
Although it is somewhat unusual, it is not especially valuable. Because it has been used so heavily, it appears to have a wholesale value of around $50, which is the amount that we would pay.
My very best,
Frederick J. Bart"
So I guess a wholesale value of $50 is about $100 retail and thus confirms the book I looked at recently.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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RAW notes in that condition...seem to be going for $100 to $200 on ebay. Graded $250 and up. When I quoted the price a few pages back I got the price from Stephen Sullivan's book - error note encyclopedia. Quote: Because it has been used so heavily Also, Fred is placing a lot of emphasis on the condition of the note...still a nice error any day of the week.
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Pillar of the Community
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I would never sell that note to someone that didn't understand the uniqueness of it. Show me another like it in any condition. I think the value should reflect that. I'm thinking I wouldn't let it go at all because the collector value is greater than the monetary value to me.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Trust me....I work retail, when a dealer says it is "worth such and such wholesale" and is willing to give 100% of that value without even dickering....it is worth a lot more! My guess...if you indeed sold it for $50 to that dealer he would have it on his shelf for $250.I have zero doubts about my assessment of the deal.
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Valued Member
United Arab Emirates
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm always just so surprised that notes such as this actually manage to get so well circulated before somebody notices the glaring error and pulls it out of circulation...
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Bedrock of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: Frederick Bart is not just a dealer, he also literally wrote the book on currency errors. Sort of like coin graders at any TPG GRADING their own coin collections.     Get the drift       I am NOT the only one who sees it that way. GOOD DayEDIT BelowEVER HEAR of conflict of interestOver the last 3 years I have met numerous collectors who feel Fred writing a book and being a dealer is a conflict of interest. Think about it.
Edited by Ceylon62 10/01/2012 6:45 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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ccburt, you do not have to take our opinions if you do not wish to do so but we are just trying to give you our opinion of the value. I understand you are trying to get as many opinions as possible from as many experts as possible but in the end you have to choose yourself what you are going to believe and do with the note in the end. I am not an error collector (with coins) nor a hard core note collector so when I give an opinion it is usually based on what I have researched for this particular topic or when asked a value, what I have seen others similar being sold for when they are brought to market. When you go looking for something you have to find an example like it that has sold then you can only go by the auction results of those notes when they were sold and give an opinion of value based on those facts Quote: Frederick Bart is not just a dealer, he also literally wrote the book on currency errors. I don't believe anyone was questioning his knowledge in the field it was just stated that he will need to make a profit on everything he buys so his offer is only going to be a percentage of the actual value of the item you are trying to sell him or he is making an offer on. Again I can only go by what I have seen items like it sell for and going by that he would probably have it for sale at 4 times the value given to the OP. I think the fact that he told the OP his note had a value of $50.00 but yet that is what he would also pay him for it kind of speaks volumes also no matter who it is. Only collectors will pay anywhere close to 100% of its value because they are not buying to resale, anytime a dealer of any kind is willing to buy something at 100% of what they say the value is tells me you need to find another dealer to take a look at it and get a second opinion
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New Member
 United States
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Thanks for all your useful comments Bryan! I understand perfectly how sales of something like this work. Obviously, if I decide to try to sale the note, I will go the ebay route since that cuts all the middlemen out. Auctions aren't so great since the seller only receives about 60% of the sales price after all the fees/commissions are deducted. I think, if I decide to sell the note, getting it graded properly is step number one. The note is actually in very good shape. The only creases visible to the naked eye is the crease created in the foldover process. The note is not worn, teared, or crumpled in any appreciable way. So Fred was simply assuming it was well circulated. I suspect it would get a PS-65 rating. Thank you and all the other Coin Community family members for their excellent and useful comments! Without this web site I really would not have known where to begin!
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New Member
 United States
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P.S. As a stamp collector I know that the value of a rare item is in reverse proportion to its condition. In other words, the rarer the stamp is the less important its condition becomes. However, currency differs from stamps in the important fact that EVERY single currency note is unique since each note has its own serial number, unlike stamps where every issue is printed exactly the same. Hence, for instance, one of the most valuable stamps in the world (the one-penny British Guiana magenta stamp of 1856) has all its corners cut off. But it's unique so its terrible condition is meaningless.
So the issue (for currency notes) becomes just how unusual the error is, and how close it might be to 'unique' status. I think Mr. Bart is an expert in this field so, I'm afraid, I'll defer to his expertise and assume that the type of error I have is not unique or even close to unique.
Anyhow, I am having a lot of fun showing this bill to my friends (I have placed it in a protective sleeve of course!) and am enjoying telling the strange story of how it ended up in my hands. I guess this sentiment is at the core of most of us whether we be stamp, coin, currency collectors.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Personal story here....not urban myth...this is a first person ( me ) account. I used to work in an industry ( which I will not name specifically as I do not want to be held libel) that is near identical to coins when it comes to collecting. In this industry there is an annual "price guide" published and I personally know one of the contributing authors. The section he authors is of course his speciality....that being said I have seen him NUMEROUS times offer unsuspecting individuals 10% of what the actual value of the item was ( that he is the "expert" on ) because he is out to take anyone he can fleece. Just because they write a book by no means should it be equated as a hallmark of being "honest".
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