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Easy Way To Spot Conterfieit Money

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 Posted 09/29/2012  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Murphy to your friends list
Thanks for the info about the pen. I didn't know it will only work on newer bills.
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 Posted 09/29/2012  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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I wonder who is creating all this counterfeit cash? Is it created on US soil or somehow imported from overseas locations?


Both. People will always try and get free money. Its harder to set up shop in the US so you do see a lot coming from overseas especially China and I think North Korea got their hands on some old dies too and have been pumping out older 100s. South America does it too. Really it comes from everywhere. Youd be shocked at how much money the Secret Service destroyed or takes each year for being fake. Some are real good like the government backed operations and some look like they were made on a printer and probably were after being scanned in.
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 Posted 09/29/2012  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add barryg to your friends list
The pens are a bit of a scam. They work by detecting the starch content of the paper and are only effective if the counterfeits are done using low grade paper (like standard copy paper). If the counterfeit is printed on easily available higher quality paper, the pens will not not register it as a fake.
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 Posted 09/29/2012  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list
Most, if not all Currency Collectors that know the printing process of USA Currency can tell counterfeit notes by touch. I have shown this to numerous people over the years (bank tellers, etc.) that deal in currency and feel the need to ruin a note with one of their ink pens just to see if it's real, and the thought of them using a pen on a error note drives me crazy (a short drive indeed)...
All United States Currency is printed on a Intaglio Press. The Intaglio Press holds steel engraved plates, and when ink is applied to the plates and wiped clean, ink remains in the engraved area, and when applied to the sheet of currency, leaves a "RAISED" imprint that is easily felt with the light touch of your fingernail..
Below are some photos I had just taken for this thread (with a cheap camera) that shows the "high" areas of the ink... If you place your thumb on the reverse side of the note, then slide your index fingernail ever-so-light over the lower left side of George Washington, you will actually feel the raised ink... Unless any counterfeit notes are printed with an Intaglio Press (like the USA gave the Shah of Iran back in the mid 70's where they printed counterfeit One Hundred Dollar Notes), there is a 99.999% chance if you don't feel any raised area (even on well circulated notes) the not is not genuine... If you ever have a chance to look at currency under a high power stereo microscope, you would not believe how high the ink looks...

I tried to capture the raised ink on the note below...

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 Posted 09/29/2012  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
There's a TV segment with counterfeiters printing it on an Epson inkjet printer, I think in order to deter the 'Pen' detection method, the counterfeiters used hair spray and that would not cause the ink to smear, and genuine Epson ink cartridge do have higher opacity that sits on top of paper that simulate Intaglio Press.

So going over with your hand will not always work, look for the watermarks and metal strip seal also.
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 Posted 09/29/2012  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list
I have held phony $1 bills that were printed via the intaglio method. In truth, the only way to tell they were fake was due to the fact they all had the same serial number and that the ink was "brittle" on a few of them. :-/
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 Posted 09/29/2012  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list
I guess I'm just old school and don't keep up with the latest ways crooks have evolved... The touch method was done long before the security design changes and personal home computers, and the latest counterfeit methods back then were done on the "NEW" Color Business Copy Machines...
Do they still check for "paper wave" on C/U Currency, or have they made that obsolete also?
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 Posted 09/29/2012  11:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
From what I've heard the two hardest things for the fakes to get right are the security strips and the watermarks. They can get strips in but not so thats its part of the paper like the fed does. That process is probably the most tightly controlled information in the whole process. Honestly is the fakers were really smart theyd just stick to $1 bills. They draw little attention and itd be quite sometime before anyone figured it out but theyre greedy and always want the quick score
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 Posted 09/30/2012  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
All modern day color copiers have some sort of security devices that shuts down if anyone tries to copy US currency.

I was told from vendors not to copy/scan any legal US currency, as this will lock the copiers and in order to reactivate it again, a US security department personnel need to come into place with the technician. In the process, the operators/workers will be question to why he/she is making a copy of US dollar bills.
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 Posted 09/30/2012  02:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add craig piette to your friends list
Thanks for the info
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 Posted 10/03/2012  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wquinn to your friends list
Very interesting thread and nice photos. Thanks for sharing.
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 Posted 10/03/2012  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list
I have received numerous counterfeit notes over the years. Most are so horribly done that a first grader could pick up on them... which always makes me wonder why my employees took them in the first place. Occasionally one comes along that is very well done such as this one.

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I was surprised to see it even had a recreation of the hologram done with what may have been green glitter ground up very fine. I was very impressed. It shimmered as you moved it in the light.

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This note would pass the "pen" test since it was on actual paper, that paper just happened to be a five dollar note bleached and reprinted with $100. So when it was held up to the light the strip was in the wrong place and the watermark was Lincoln instead of Ben.

Even with the level of sophistication I am very unhappy with my employees for accepting it, since the best test for a fake is simply holding it up to the light.
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 Posted 10/07/2012  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list
@Nickelman, I am not familiar with the newer counterfeit notes post 1990 when the BEP added extra security to the notes... I remember when they first added the strip, it was really easy to remove them, and at the time I must have removed a few dozen and started a collection of security strips that I sold with my currency collection when I moved into errors... On your note above, I assume the watermark is of lincoln and not Franklin... In my earlier post I mentioned the "touch" test that was common when I was collecting, and am curious if the 100 Dollar overprint was printed on a intaglio press with a engraved 100 Dollar plate, or is the ink overprinted on the note flat...
If it was printed with the raised ink, and had crossed my path, I would have not believed it to be counterfeit, and with the Lincoln Watermark and Security Strip, my first thought would have been that it was printed on wrong stock and a genuine error.
This is scary now that I'm aware of just how decieving counterfeiting has become...
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 Posted 10/08/2012  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wardtom084 to your friends list
I've heard that many of these are sophisticated fakes which indicated possible foreign government involvement...These are called "super notes" They really scare the feds as they are that good!
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 Posted 10/08/2012  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list

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On your note above, I assume the watermark is of lincoln and not Franklin.


Yes and the strip was in the spot for a five. Even though this one was really good I don't think it could be called a super note. Those (I'm guessing) probably don't use $5 notes as their paper stock.
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