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Pillar of the Community
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I sometimes have a very hard time discerning a cast of this nature. Die matches are rare but not impossible, three identical flan shapes are very, very improbable, almost impossible. |
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Isn't a counter stamp added after the coin was struck? The O looks like it was put there at the same time the coin was made.
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Valued Member
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JW, first, the "softness" of the details, quite evident in Nero's hair (on all 3 coins). Nothing is sharp as it should be, it is all too blury. A coin that has been overcleaned (dipped in acid), could have a similar feel, but not 3. What is the most incriminatory is the flan crack. It's not small one, the flan should be open, whe should be able to "see through". In the casting process such "gaps" can be filled with metal (the crack "disappear" in the molding process), like it is the case here.
Having just one, it would be enough to condemn it, but 3... Same flan shape, same obv./rev. dies, same centering, same legend flaw (NERO almost entirely missing)... The counterstamp must have been added afteward to deceive or for some other reason...
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10/19/2012 3:20 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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I agree. Seeing all three together would make me at least pause on this coin. But seeing only one w/o the benefit of the other two side-by-side, I think I could easily be fooled. The "softness" as you suggest is just not enough for me. I have a couple of coins I'm reasonably certain are genuine, but show this same kind of softness in some of the details.
I don't mean to be arguing. I'm just trying to learn in order to prevent myself from making big mistakes in the future.
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Valued Member
Canada
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No problem JW  |
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Valued Member
Canada
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Now, I wonder if this is the sort of things that the ANS would like to know ?
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Pillar of the Community
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'd love to know what the ANS has to say bout these three and what the O in the field means. None strike me as ancient.
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Pillar of the Community
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All three of these casts could be 200+ years old, maybe even older, this can be seen from the dates mentioned in the provenience quotes, assuming its not 'spin'. Quote:
(with a pedigree going back to 1892) If they are Paduan they have interest and value associated with them, sadly what they are not is 2000 years old. I too would love to know what the seller of the 'O' has to say about it, I would have avoided this coin even if I had not seen the other two as the stamp simply does not look correct. I would struggle to condemn the other two coins on their own, together its obvious but apart and on their own it would be hard to be definitive. Keep us posted on what the seller says Dionysos, good thread for experience hopefully you wont end up out of pocket if you want to return the coin. |
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I do not know Gilles Bransbourg or anyone else at ANS. I am not a member. In all honesty I did not know they had a serious interest in ancient coins. It might be interesting to report the coins and see what reply you get (if you get a reply).
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bobbyhelmet, let say it did not cost me as much as a real one should have, but it was a little expensive for a fake. Not too sure what I'm going to do about this one, I still find it quite interesting and do not want to hassle more than it's worth. Doug, will try and see, I'm used not being responded to  Edited by Dionysos
10/19/2012 9:45 pm
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Valued Member
Canada
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After a pleasant exchange with Mr Bransbourg of the ANS, they agreed that their example was also most probably fake (a cast from the 19th cent.) and edited their page consequently. Lost some money but at least got a little fun out of it |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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 - Its often worth the money in cases like this for the interest and fun you get out of researching the coin, its also a nice story if you do keep it in your collection |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Is this an example of a centrifuge cast? Very interesting none-the-less! At the right price it might be worth buying just to "play" with.
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"Is this an example of a centrifuge cast?" That I wouldn't know  I think I will keep this one as my "most interesting fake" (wouldn't want too many of these either  )  |
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