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United States
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Quote: Do you have anything from a country called Eritrea   , would love to have Italian colonial tallero though! For me the number of countries is not a goal. I keep them in my catalog under the modern name/borders if possible but then subcategorize. Like all of this:  (and it goes on through East, West and United) I count as one country, Germany. Never counted my countries till today, got 209.
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United Arab Emirates
557 Posts |
Congratulations Wade!  I'm not sure how many different coins I have, but have collected them from every country I've been to and that's 16. Of course, I do have many from those I haven't been to yet. I live in UAE now (2 month) and was just in Oman on Friday. Since my entire collection is at home in ND, I feel like I am starting anew. So, right now I have three different countries, U.S., UAE and Oman. This does not count the recent fakes I picked up. I'm almost there.
Edited by BLadd 11/03/2012 8:08 pm
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Pakistan
207 Posts |
According to wikipedia, there are 182 currently circulating currencies, and 204 countries according to the official criteria. I'm only at 74 countries right now, with only 1 former country, Yugoslavia, and a couple of British Indian coins that I count under India. So a long ways to go for me, and by the time I reach 182, a few more countries would probably have become "formered", and maybe a few new ones would be existing.
So...congratulations on your milestone!
I wonder how many total countries (that minted coins) ever existed....
Edited by Babar 11/05/2012 12:36 am
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Rest in Peace
United States
1501 Posts |
I am currently 17 short of the 200 mark, and each "new" country gets harder and harder to come by. So a big coingrats on getting to 200! 
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 Canada
2781 Posts |
i am using numista.com to determine "what is a country". they are pretty liberal so between all the germany's (i only have 3 - they class all the 'states' as 1), french colonies, and african countries etc it wasnt too difficult. it did slow down after 150 (100 was pretty easy just buying bulk lots of ebay). can be viewed here: http://en.numista.com/echanges/voir...php?id=17195my goal now is to trim it down from a "hoard" to a "collection" (with some countries like brazil the coins just start to get repetitive and boring) to maybe 4 of each country (one row in a binder) and then start upgrading grades. I might have trouble giving up some of the favorites like austria, italy and switzerland though (it will be hard to narrow it down to a limited number of each) SEL Quote: Nevertheless, my core collection of 25 coins over 25 centuries IS nearly complete do you have those cataloged online somewhere (viewable), I (and others I am sure) would love to see that.
Edited by Wade 11/04/2012 8:49 pm
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 Australia
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Quote: Does one count West Germany, East Germany, Germany or just Germany? - I would distinguish the Empire, Weimar, Third Reich, and modern united Germany; plus East and West - that's six entiies for the 20th century; plus the pre-federation states. Personally, I only have three Germanies: "Reich" (which includes Empire, Weimar, Third and Occupied), "Federal" (which includes West and United) and "East". German states are all listed as separate countries. Quote: I mean, would you count interwar and current Latvia as different countries? How many Austrias since 1750, Bulgarias since 1900, or Russias since 1570? (Or for a difficult one: how many Frances since 1855?) For me, to be a "new country", there has to be some kind of significant change in government plus a change in borders, or a change in name. I don't really see any of that in Latvia, so I call both incarnations of it one country. Russia's a little more complex; I have three: Empire, RSFSR and Post-Communist. The USSR has it's own separate listing. For France, I used to subdivide it into nine parts: First Kingdom, First Republic, First Empire, Second Kingdom, Second Republic, Second Empire, Third Republic, Vichy State and Modern Republic. I've since re-amalgamated them all under "France", except for the Vichy State; all the others are really just government changes; the borders and name stayed much the same for the other eight transitions. Quote: I wonder how many total countries (that minted coins) ever existed.... While the definition of "country" comes into play even more once you go back before the development of the concept of nationalism, I'd say the answer is in the thousands. Perhaps as high as 10,000. Remember, prior to being assimilated by Rome or some other ancient superpower, ancient Greek cities each regarded themselves as independent city-states. There are several thousand such coin-issuing city-states known, including several cities whose existence is now lost to history apart from their coins. Add to that Indian States, German States and Islamic States and you easily cross the 5,000 mark. And if that's still not enough for you, add notgeld. There were several thousand more German cities and towns that issued their own coins and notes in the early 20th century. I'm up to about 750 coin-issuing entities, so I've still got quite a ways to go.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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 Canada
2781 Posts |
for those collecting OFEC how do you make the decision of what stays and what goes?
do you limit by oldest, rarest, most valueable etc? do you have side collections (typeset or themed etc?)
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United States
797 Posts |
Awesome! I just started this about a month ago. Near 200 but its getting more and more tough, and expensive withs ome of them. I eventually want to include a silver coin from each. I am keeping a broad view on my list, but currently its countries that have existed after 1900
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United States
2605 Posts |
Quote: for those collecting OFEC how do you make the decision of what stays and what goes? That would be the reason I don't want to go into OFECing, I wouldn't want to restrict myself. I know some people do TFEC, TFEC, FFEC, FFEC, SFEC, etc.
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Germany
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Quote: Personally, I only have three Germanies: "Reich" (which includes Empire, Weimar, Third and Occupied), "Federal" (which includes West and United) and "East". German states are all listed as separate countries. Agreed and signed. ;) Sure makes more sense than counting each "incarnation" as a separate country. A simple look at the country names helps a lot - you have Deutsches Reich (1871-1948), Bundesrepublik Deutschland (1949-today) and Deutsche Demokratische Republik (1949-1990). The second one, the Federal Republic, includes several "phases" anyway - Saarland joined the Fed. Rep. in 1957, the five Eastern (ex-GDR) states joined in 1990. Now the pre-1871 countries in Germany I count separately as well. I also consider the USSR and Russia to be different countries. Ultimately, well, there are no fixed rules in this regard anyway ... Christian
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Singapore
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Hello. Amazing that quite a lot of you have collected more than 200 countries. Do you shop often, or just buy a large coin lot?
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United Kingdom
2135 Posts |
For me, every time I hear of someone who is going abroad or coming back, I ask them to save me their pocket change.
I always offer the exchange value but it's not often taken up. The value of the coins isn't usually great, since the coins are from circulation, but sometimes a coin turns out to be rare or valuable.
For example, from my father, 10 yen coins of Japan dated 1957, 1958, and 1959 in BU; 4 1987 1 Santim coins of Morocco from a colleague; a small bag of Russian 20 kopeks dated 1970, 1973, 1976. It's nice to have some rarities but I'm almost as pleased to have the ordinary coins - seeing the different designs and identifying them is what interests me.
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Russian Federation
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Quote: For me, to be a "new country", there has to be some kind of significant change in government plus a change in borders, or a change in name. I don't really see any of that in Latvia, so I call both incarnations of it one country.
Russia's a little more complex; I have three: Empire, RSFSR and Post-Communist. The USSR has it's own separate listing.
For France, I used to subdivide it into nine parts: First Kingdom, First Republic, First Empire, Second Kingdom, Second Republic, Second Empire, Third Republic, Vichy State and Modern Republic. I've since re-amalgamated them all under "France", except for the Vichy State; all the others are really just government changes; the borders and name stayed much the same for the other eight transitions.
My current favorite in terms of "different countries" is England/UK... my current list has England (pre-1707), Great Britain (1707-1801), and United Kingdom (1801 to date), but I only have one coin from each of the first two (1699 fourpence and 1797 cartwheel penny respectively). My current list does not include Scotland, because I wasn't sure if 1950s "Scottish" shillings count; Jersey, Guernsey and Man are of course separate countries entirely (I only have one of the first two, but forgot which one). For Russia, I have the Russian Federation, USSR, RSFSR, the Russian Empire, and the Tsardom of Russia (pre-1700s... not sure of exact date, but Ivan IV coins certainly go there). I've considered listing the 1991 Parliament series as a separate "country", but I'm not entirely sure. For Germany, my current list has Empire, Weimar, Nazi, East, and modern, plus a possible point for the Bank Deutscher Lander of 1949 (though even I think it doesn't really deserve being called a "country"). That doesn't include any of the pre-1867 states (not that I have many). For France, I basically use the same divisions as you originally did, but currently only have the last four and First Republic (plus an Orleans coin from 1651). ...There are several other countries which I similarly divide. Yet even with all of that, my current estimate of country count is an awfully low 130 
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United Kingdom
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There are a million and one ways to look at this - none are correct - only what suits you.
I've just counted my "coin issuing entities" list and it comes out at 413. I do separate out the German and Indian states (and Swiss cantons and Italian states) but France is just France and the UK is just the UK - even before it is the UK - completely arbitary and inconsistant - but it works for me.
I haven't my ancients in this at all so there would be another 50 or so Greek city states to add if I did that.
What adds to the list is all those medieval oddities like the Kingdom of Vijayanagar, or the Seljuks or Rum or The Suris Kingdom or the Spanish Umayids Afghan civic coinage etc, those are very definitely seperate entities but don't fit neatly into the modern concept of "country".
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United States
3402 Posts |
Hello CCF group members:  In Sept. Coin World ran an article about collecting a coin from every country/issuing entity. They mentioned a group that was founded based on this concept. it is a web based Yahoo group which I joined:  everycountry ยท One coin per country collectors group This ia a great group with loads of information and checklists that you can download and adapt to your collecting interests. The latest list has over 7,000 issuing entities. I've jumped in and updated the 20th & 21st centuries checklist, which is now being reviewed and should be posted shortly.  Additionally I just incorporated the 19th century in with the 20th and 21st, so this will create another list that will make it easier to expand your collection. I strongly suggest you check out the group. I recently started to pull my coins from various accumulations and boxes, organizing them according to my customized list, and I now am up to 174, with a few more thousand to go through. I originally was going to do a 20th century type set collection, but this is way more interesting and more focused. As I get nearer to completing one century, I can jump backwards or to look at the sub groupings. The best thing about it is the great feedback and guidance you get. I'm a fan.    Look it up.  KK
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