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Quote: and I wont even consider spending anywhere close to that without doing a lot of research on it first. Smart. Ancient coin collecting is much different from modern coin collecting. One of the biggest problems are fakes, and believe me when I tell you there are a lot out there and they can fool even a seasoned collector. So researching prior to buying is just being smart. I would also suggest you post potential purchases here to ask for opinions and validation. Of course you can't do that when you are at a show. But buying from reputable dealers is a good way to better your chances of not buying a fake. Take a look on Vcoins. The prices are somewhat higher than ebay, but you are also buying the guarantee and peace of mind along with the coin. And many of the dealers will accept reasonable offers. But if you decide to go to ebay, post here before you buy. Also check out Forum's fake coin reports and forgery network. If you need the web pages, just ask. Thanks for the compliment on my coin. I've had it for many years. I forget exactly how many Legionary Denarii there are, but I think it is around 23 legions plus the Cohort Speculatores and Cohort Praetorian. And on top of that there are the naval denarii Mark Anthony issued. One could make an entire collection just attempting to put all of these together. That was a fascinating and a transitional period of history.
Edited by Bing 11/05/2012 12:15 am
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Quote: Congrats on your first ancient coin ... uh-oh, now you've gone and done it!! (you've crossed over to the dark-side!!) Lol you got that right. I cant even count the number of sets that have come from me saying I just want 1  Quote: Ancient coin collecting is much different from modern coin collecting. That and pricing are my biggest concerns. I know theres not set prices for coins but you can usually get ballpark figures for moderns if there an ancient equivalent of a site like numismeadia with approximate values? Im fairly certain ancient collectors also hate TPGs since you can handle ancients and not have to worry like with moderns, but as far as theyre concerned are they at least accurate with determining authenticity? I wont buy raw coins on ebay over a certain value because of all the fakes but certified ancients would make me more comfortable using ebay. Quote: Thanks for the compliment on my coin. I've had it for many years. I forget exactly how many Legionary Denarii there are, but I think it is around 23 legions plus the Cohort Speculatores and Cohort Praetorian. And on top of that there are the naval denarii Mark Anthony issued. I wouldnt let that baby go either. Is there any particular history that you know of behind that chop mark on the reverse, at least I think thats a chop mark? I think you just sold me on that series, Praetorian I like a lot and my father was navy for a naval denarii will be a must if possible. Thanks for all the information and the help and the welcomes from everyone
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basebal21.......  .. to the dark side...i stared collecting Ancients Jan. of this year, I have nearly 300 coins, like you I still collect modern coins and have to keep my sets up to date every year.. Fun to learn something new, good luck and watch out for stevex6... 
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Eng thank you for the welcome. I have a feeling ill end up with way more than I thought in about a years time as well. I really need to start finishing some sets before starting new ones  Learning new things will definitely be happening here. I've started ancients for about 8 hours and Bing already has sold me on a set, I dont see this ending well 
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Welcome to Ancient Coin Collecting. I just picked up my first of the "12 Caesars", Claudius and am excited about it.
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Quote: Is there any particular history that you know of behind that chop mark on the reverse, Yes. At the time these coins were issued there were a lot of counterfeits made with a thin silver foil wrapped over a copper core. Coins that had been tested and passed/failed were marked by moneychangers. As far as I know, there have been no studies as to who applied specific ones or if there is a code to them.  More on fourree: http://www.forumancientcoins.com/do...fourree.html
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 => robfromshasta => congrats on your first 12-Caesars' coin!! ... but just sayin' that you bought the coin doesn't cut-it over here on the shady-side ...   
Edited by stevex6 11/05/2012 07:30 am
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 Show some pics! And welcome Quote: Bing already has sold me on a set I didn't mean to sell you on this set of coins. Collecting all of these in relatively good shape will set you back some serious denarii and will take some long amount of time to find an example of each coin. It's not impossible. But many a collector has started down this road never to finish (including me - but I would give a relatively significant amount for a Cohors Speculatorum Denarius in good shape) http://www.forumancientcoins.com/nu...SPECULATORUMThe Mark Anthony Fleet Coinage is very difficult to find and quite expensive. I saw one selling on ebay recently. It was in rather poor condition and was selling for $750 Interesting articles: http://www.coinworld.com/articles/m...arii-iconic/http://www.flickr.com/photos/ahala_...25713793045/
Edited by Bing 11/05/2012 09:19 am
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It is perfectly normal for beginners in the hobby to be attracted to the rulers they have heard of and the 12 Caesars are high on that list. Unfortunately the same factors make the scarcer of the 12 even harder to find and make them more attractive to forgers who figure that most of these beginners will be easy to fool with low grade fakes. Some of us (certainly I) will point out that it might better to get some experience handling equally interesting but not so popular or expensive coins before you go shopping for Caligula and Otho. I consider coins of big names like Trajan, Diocletian and Constantine (all of whom had great effect on the history of Rome rather than being a footnote like Otho and Vitellius)a better place to start. The legionaries of Antony are not rare but there are enough people trying to get the set that some of them can get pricey. Try to buy a Legion IIX, PRI XVIIII or IIII and see what I mean.
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 . I think Doug is correct. Not only are some of these "lesser known" or better put lesser collected emperors easy to find, but the cost of obtaining them is not generally inflated. Getting to know these coins, how they should look and feel, weight and measurements, is an invaluable part of the education to Ancient coins. Also getting to know where to navigate on the web and which dealers to trust or which are better positioned to offer a good deal is part of this education. In any case, it's a great hobby and you don't have to be a millionaire to acquire some fine 2000 year old coins (although that would be nice).
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Bing pretty much mentioning a set of great coins usually sells me on it  The Cohors Speculatorum Denarius sure is a beauty. Im sure at some point I will attempt the full set, but would at least like a legion praetorian and naval to start. I dont mind working on a bunch of sets at once since I'm already doing that. In fact its probably preferable since the market may be good for somethings but not others at any given time, the multiple sets allows me to scratch the itch with whatever is good at the time. To me thats a lot better than sacrificing quality or grossly overpaying due to the market at any given time. I also updated the photos at the top of the thread and will post them here. This is easily the coin I've had the most problems getting good photos but they are better than before. Again thanks to everyone. My finger covered it a little bit, but you can see the left half of the A in Roma on the coin  
Edited by basebal21 11/05/2012 4:53 pm
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I'll stick by my original value for this coin. Upwards of $150. It looks to be in great shape.
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Thanks for all the advice and information
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Well the other guys gave you the skinny- I'm just gonna say I really likeyour coin. Kudos!
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