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 Posted 11/16/2012  12:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coins4fun to your friends list
Hey Helzels, thanks for the concern. I'm not in dire straights or anything due to my coin habit, but it cost somewhat more than what I anticipated to complete it in the grade that I wanted it in. By the way, I see that you have an online store selling very cheap coins. After I tally up the Listing and Final Value Fees from ebay, I could buy my own domain and do what you are doing. How hard is that to setup? What payment processor do you use and are there fees related to that?
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 Posted 11/16/2012  01:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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After I tally up the Listing and Final Value Fees from ebay, I could buy my own domain and do what you are doing. How hard is that to setup? What payment processor do you use and are there fees related to that?


ebay gets 0.4% of the total webpages viewed on the entire Internet. There's a reason why everyone, however reluctant, tends to recommend ebay as an outlet. Building your website is easy, and your overhead will be drastically lowered. But who's going to know you did it?

I strongly advise you to hold for the moment, probably over the winter, if you're looking to liquidate at decent retail. The market is seriously depressed. I've been selling on ebay for a decade, and have never taken the drubbing that I have in the last couple of months. I've lost a bunch of money.

Idle note: Google, the #1 website, gets 7% of all Internet pageviews, and on an average day 45% of those who are online visit the site. That's silly. Even sillier, Facebook is a very close (right of the decimal) second.
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 Posted 11/16/2012  02:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joe2007 to your friends list
My observations

Purchasing coins and re-selling in a short time frame usually results in a loss unless you have an exceptional eye for quality, superior knowledge of the market, and a way to liquidate your holdings for top dollar. Although mark-ups in coin collecting are much smaller than many other collectibles, they are however still significant and you must overcome these just to get the money you paid out of the item and break even.

Personally I plan to hold the items I purchase long term so that they might appreciate enough so that when I go to sell I will make some money hopefully. The conventional wisdom is that on the average coin if you hold it five years it should increase in value enough for you to break even when selling. Of course there are going to be some series (& coins) that net a significant profit while others will lose money due to market fluctuations.

If you really need the money then I think that ebay is your best bet and that under no circumstances should you try to sell the set whole. The coins will likely do better sold individually since not many collectors have the cash to purchase a type set whole.
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 Posted 11/16/2012  02:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list
You should have bought slabbed vs raw. You may lose money when you sell as the coins are raw and depending on the buyer, they may pay less or sometimes more depending on what condition they think your coin is. You should just hold this for the long term for your family, not complete it and then sell it so quickly.
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 Posted 11/16/2012  02:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list
sell the coins here when you are going to liquidate, free and will appeal to those that want raw
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 Posted 11/16/2012  04:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add epikur to your friends list
Sorry for sniping your thread here coins4fun...


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I strongly advise you to hold for the moment, probably over the winter, if you're looking to liquidate at decent retail. The market is seriously depressed. I've been selling on ebay for a decade, and have never taken the drubbing that I have in the last couple of months. I've lost a bunch of money.


SsuperDdave, when you say the market is depressed, do you think that applies to the whole value spectra of the coin market? All the way from low cost coin all the way up to $10,000+ coins?

I would think that if a person can afford to buy a really expensive coin, he/she could do it no matter what the economy is like, the market being in a slump or not...

Why I ask is beecause I have a rather high valued coin (for me at least) up for sale at the Heritage Auction in Orlando in January...But if the market for those high end coins are bad right now, I might tell them to hold on to it for a while...
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 Posted 11/16/2012  05:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I was referring to Ebay-level stuff; Heritage seems to be far less affected as per your thought process.
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 Posted 11/16/2012  05:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add epikur to your friends list
Thanks...
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 Posted 11/16/2012  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robfromshasta to your friends list
When the market is depressed, it is the best time to buy. When the market is inflated, it's the best time to sell. I've been seeing some good deals out there, so personally I'm more in the buying mode than the selling mode.
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 Posted 11/16/2012  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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When the market is depressed, it is the best time to buy.




The big problem is with the economy the market will be depressed for quite some time more than likely and maybe even years. If the suppressed price is fairly close I would go ahead an sell anyway now if possible. What I mean is if its down from 80 to 50 sitting on it a year for 30 bucks doesn't make a ton of sense, but if its down from say 2000 to 800-900 then itd be worth the wait
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 Posted 11/16/2012  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tpg22 to your friends list
I have to find some of these depressed coins. I have been looking at a lot of MS67 CAC Walking Liberty halves and the ones that are nice don't seem to be coming down. Most are listed and sell at or above guide prices. Maybe it is just my luck. I'm also hoping for some depressed Standing Liberty quarters prices soon.
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 Posted 11/16/2012  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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I have been looking at a lot of MS67 CAC Walking Liberty halves and the ones that are nice don't seem to be coming down. Most are listed and sell at or above guide prices.


Remember though the guides get updated. I checked heritage for MS67 1942 walking liberties and they seem to be selling around 800 now, but if you look back to 2005 when everything was great they were selling around 1500 so they are depressed at the moment compared to where they were a few years ago
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 Posted 11/16/2012  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tpg22 to your friends list
Thanks. That makes sense. I think I was looking back only 3-4 years and thought things were still level. Just went to the NGC price guide and I see your point. I had not used the all tab of the price history page. Now I see the big drop from 2005 to now.
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 Posted 11/16/2012  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
Theyre actually a great deal right now and good long term investment if we can ever get the economy going to see those prices again
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 Posted 11/16/2012  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murrellington to your friends list
I didn't read the rest of this thread, but here's what I think. You are right that it may be easier to sell of an Early Eagle of 1801 rather than your whole 7070 album. However most of us aren't worried about that. When it comes to my 7070 I am not planning on ever liquidating it. If I was out of work or didn't have the funds, I would simply put the 7070 on hold and not buy any more coins.
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