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1921 Morgan - Some MS Grading Practice

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 Posted 04/09/2007  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list
GO, the pics are from Heritage.
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 Posted 04/10/2007  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
thats gotta be the best struck 1921 I believe I have ever seen and if it came back less than a MS-67 I would send it back for review
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 Posted 04/10/2007  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add asciibaron to your friends list
gut feeling - MS65.

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 Posted 04/10/2007  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
Hmmm, a beautiful clean cheek and no hits at all in the obverse fields. I agree with Bryan1315, it's got a fabulous strike. There's a tiny tick on Liberty's cap, an even smaller one below her eye, and a bit of scuff on her nose. The biggest mark is on the reverse below STATES; fortunately reverse marks don't have much impact on assigned grade. This looks solid MS66 to me and I wouldn't be shocked to see a 67.
So, what does PCGS say?
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 Posted 04/10/2007  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
it also looks like they used a small "9" for the date also. It may just be me but it looks like the "9" in the date is allot smaller than the "121" in the date
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 Posted 04/10/2007  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I haven't looked at Heritage yet.

Condition Census for the 1921 Philadelphia Morgan is 6/0 (PCGS) at MS67; I'll bet this is one of them. The big mark on the reverse is more than compensated by the magnificent obverse.

If I had that coin, I'd have never sold off my '21's.
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 Posted 04/11/2007  02:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list
1921-Morgan---Some-MS-Grading-Practice


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 Posted 04/11/2007  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phoenix21 to your friends list
She is simply beatuiful. One of the nicest 21s I have ever seen. She sure is a breathtaker. I personally only go a 66, but doesn't surprise me one bit with her being a 67. Very nice. How much did it go for?

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 Posted 04/11/2007  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
>$12k. Top Pop. Population 11 now, according to Heritage, but 6 according to PCGS' records.
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 Posted 04/11/2007  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list
Ok, rookie on deck. How about some help with terminology.

First. Top Pop

Second is this description:

Condition Census for the 1921 Philadelphia Morgan is 6/0 (PCGS) at MS67

It is somewhat self describing but a little further defining would be very much appreciated.
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 Posted 04/11/2007  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
Top Pop(ulation)= no coin of same date/mintmark/variety graded higher

Condition Census= number of coins that exist at a grade as certified by PCGS or NGC. Sometimes you will see PCGS and NGC census numbers combined. A high end coin like this will, 999 out of 1000 times, be in a PCGS or NGC slab.
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bio, makes sense, but what is the second number, i.e. 6/0. The 6 is the number of coins at that grade. What does the 0 represent?
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6/0 translates to 6 coins graded MS67 with none graded higher

Conversely, it could be 5/1 with 5 MS67s and one higher at MS68
The MS68 in that case would be the top pop coin
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wow I just can't believe I got it correct, once it goes above 65 I have a hard time choosing which grade it should be because the smallest thing can keep it from going that one higher grade. And once it gets to 68 anything I would ever say would be a 100% guess
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 Posted 04/12/2007  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
quote:
6/0 translates to 6 coins graded MS67 with none graded higher

Conversely, it could be 5/1 with 5 MS67s and one higher at MS68
The MS68 in that case would be the top pop coin


Absolutely true, but just to clarify, the "one higher" coin could be more than one grade higher - for instance, Pop 6/1 at MS65 means there's 6 at MS65, but the 1 could be anything from 66 on up.
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