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World Mule Coins

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 Posted 04/16/2007  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add secretsquirrel to your friends list
gxseries is there a reference book that actually has that coin listed as a mule or is it just listed as an error?
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 Posted 04/17/2007  01:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list
There is one unusual US cent worth mentioning:

http://www.coinworld.com/news/070802/news-1.asp

secretsqirrel - if I am not mistaken 1983 is the year when the Soviet Union placed the year together with the Soviet crest, i.e. reverse.

Previously all coins were like this and there is no telling if older dies were used for the reverse:

World-Mule-Coins

World-Mule-Coins

This is also the very year where the Soviet Union started to commemorate important people that contributed to the Russian history.

But because there weren't too many coins commemorated before 1988, a restrike was done which included commemorative coins from the 1970s.

It is perhaps said that these two ended up as a mule:

World-Mule-Coins
World-Mule-Coins

(note the rather similar theme)

which then is made to have this error coin:

World-Mule-Coins

It definately is an error but I don't know how this cannot be a mule. Isn't a mule's defination that if dies weren't intended* for a particular coin, that would make it into a mule?

Remember this is a proof coin - supposely careful inspection was to be done in the mint but it must have missed everyone's mind that the year is NOT supposed to be 1983!

*edited for typo
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04/17/2007 02:34 am
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 Posted 04/17/2007  02:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add secretsquirrel to your friends list
Yes I agree it would be a mule but debates on my forum at the moment about what is classed as a mule this one would add more fuel to the fire. If its documented as a mule somewhere that would help out my side of the debate which we both seem to agree on
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 Posted 04/17/2007  02:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
Is anyone here registered with Numismaster? I'm not. Can you type "mule" in a search there and see if it comes up with a list of mules known to Krause? Sounds like a feature that would be worthwhile having...

I just tried a similar trick at worldcoingallery; it only came up with one: India 10 paisa 1979, KM# 34, mule of #32 and #33. No picture, either there or in Krause, so I don't know what the muling is, since the obverses of the two coins are identical - it might be two reverses (1978 and 1979)?

Trying the same thing at CoinArchives yields 506 hits; Hit this link if you dare, but I wouldn't recommend trying it with dialup, or limited download... it's huge with lots of pics. Lots of medals, jetons, tokens, mediaevals, other stuff you're not likely interested in... but there's plenty of coins in there too.
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04/17/2007 03:00 am
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 Posted 04/17/2007  03:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add secretsquirrel to your friends list
ohhhhhh and I happen to be on dialup
Think i'll just hit the button and go have a coffee or 2 or 3 or......
Thanks sap
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 Posted 04/17/2007  03:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
Ah yes, seeing the one on CoinArchives triggered my memory... a famous mule in the British colonial series: the 1936 "East-West" holey mule, with a British West Africa 1 penny reverse and an East Africa 10 cents obverse. Listed in Krause under BWA, KM# 17. Fairly pricey.
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04/17/2007 03:27 am
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 Posted 04/17/2007  03:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add secretsquirrel to your friends list
Very nice, thanks Sap. And I only needed 2 coffees to open it. Some very useful info there and I will be taking down notes all night I can see lol
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 Posted 04/17/2007  03:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add secretsquirrel to your friends list
This one may be very useful in the debate now running. Depends on the answer to my current question I posted.
British West Africa, AE mule Penny, 1956 H, with George VI obverse (KM.34)
Listed in Krause as a mule and is the current stage the debate is at right now and awaiting responses later on today.
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 Posted 04/17/2007  07:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuhli to your friends list
This is currently considered to be a mule:
World-Mule-Coins

Actual coin should look like this:
World-Mule-Coins
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 Posted 04/17/2007  07:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add secretsquirrel to your friends list
Please explain. Is that a standard reverse instead of a comem reverse on a circulation coin or is it a retired design?
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 Posted 04/17/2007  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brissyboy to your friends list
1871H 10 cents Newfoundland obv / Dominion of Canada rev.

A Charlton Standard Catalogue Canadian Coins 60th Anniv Edition by W.K. Cross. Page 44.
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 Posted 04/17/2007  08:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuhli to your friends list
Please explain. Is that a standard reverse instead of a comem reverse on a circulation coin or is it a retired design?

Yes, it is the standard reverse used, instead of the planned commemorative reverse. The standard reverse is used on the circulation issue 1 denar pieces, issued in 1993, 1997, 2001 & 2006.

This is the normal circulation issue:
World-Mule-Coins

[edit] BTW, the commemorative issue is a "circulating commem.", and both the normal commem & the "mule" version are readily available on ebay. The prices for this "mule" have been steadily climbing (I got mine several years ago for $4.00, now they usually run in the $12-25 range.)[/edit]
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04/17/2007 08:20 am
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 Posted 04/17/2007  08:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brissyboy to your friends list
Wow that is a nice mule. I will have to look out for that. Thanks for showing us.

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 Posted 04/17/2007  09:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add secretsquirrel to your friends list
There is an error in my old Krause on these coins. They describe the sheep dog as the obverse which makes the 1 denar side the reverse which is as I expected it to be.
For the 2000 issue it has the ornamental cross as the reverse (this I'm guessing is incorrect) which would give a double reverse coin for 2000.
My Krause is an 03 issue which doesn't even mention the coins were minted in 01
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04/17/2007 09:42 am
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 Posted 04/24/2007  02:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gnome to your friends list
How's the list going, SS.
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