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Is This Even A Coin? | Thailand, K'a K'im Of Lamma

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 Posted 01/16/2013  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jcmworld to your friends list
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 Posted 01/16/2013  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jrl10137 to your friends list
Thank you for the "Siamese" clue, found this page (http://www.chiangmai-chiangrai.com/..._money.html) which included a photo that looks like the object I have. So this appears to be a coin from the "Lanna Kingdom, which lasted from 1239 to 1564".



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 Posted 01/17/2013  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list
Now that's some unique coinage!
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I'm secure in the knowledge Sap will appear soon. Just when I've pulled about the last hair out, he saves my wig.
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 Posted 01/17/2013  09:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jrl10137 to your friends list
Here's another link I found last night.
http://www.thaibankmuseum.or.th/eng/museum108.php

The description and photo there match the object I have.


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Chiang money was of higher value. It bore two attached horseshoe shapes, with two large notches in the middle. A coin could be divided into smaller parts by cutting it at the notches; the ease with which it could be broken indicated the quality of its silver content. Both sides of Chiang money were imprinted with three marks, indicating its weight and denomination


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 Posted 01/17/2013  09:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
I am surprised that no one has said it yet:
"How does a TPG slab that coin?"

jrl10137,
That has got to be one of the most interesting coins that we have seen of the CCF. Thanks for sharing.

To the others,
Just how would one go about authenticating this?
I suppose an accurate weight should be determined. Then specific gravity test.


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How to test specific gravity:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYdSEAm-7uI

78 grams/weight in water = specific gravity.
10.5 is the specific gravity of pure silver.

This video may not be entirely accurate, see comments, but the approach is sound.
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That has got to be one of the most interesting coins that we have seen of the CCF.


I agree, very nice thing to have
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Thank you for that video. I followed the instructions on measuring specific gravity. The scale I have isn't accurate enough to say for sure but the object measured 60 grams, and the object suspended in water raised the weight 6 grams so that gives a rough estimate on the specific gravity of 10. I need to find a more accurate scale but with what I have available to me at the moment it appears it passed this test.
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 Posted 01/17/2013  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverdollar2011 to your friends list
Verifying the authenticity of this coin could be determined through the process of water displacement.
You'll need:
A liquid container with mL markings (meniscus)
A gram scale accurate to 0.01grams
The density of water is 1g/1cm cubed.
Your initial volume should be 0mL, go ahead and add 5mL of water (or distilled water for better precision). Then put in your coin, record the difference in volume.
The equation for density of d (rho) = m/v (mass divided by volume), units should be in grams (g) and centimeters squared (equivalent to 1milliliter mL).
Go ahead and take the mass of the coin (by using a gram scale) and divide it by the volume difference that you calculated, this should give you the density.
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Also, the temperature of the water should be as close to 4 degrees C / 39 F as possible.
At least for a specific gravity test.

silverdollar2011,
Do we not need to know in advance the density of pure silver?
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So I need to find a more accurate scale... any recomendations?
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It's listed with a photograph in R. Leonard's book "Curious Currency". It's called a K'a K'im. The notes read as follows "Even odder than bullet money is the K'a k'im of Northern Thailand. These curious rings - split and bent into the shape of a women's pelvis-were used as money circa 1325 to 1545. They are stamped with a denomination, dynasty symbol, and name of the mint city." This sounds logical since Chiangmai is a popular Thai tourist destination.
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