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Yet Another Ebay/Paypal Rant

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 Posted 02/10/2013  01:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Anjohl to your friends list
Ebay/Paypal completely ripoff the seller. It's all about them pinching us to pad their own pockets. Long gone are the days when a seller could get by on reputation. The day they removed the ability for sellers to leave negative feedback is the day it all went to .

The feedback system was broken, horribly skewed towards the seller, but the solution was to require hidden feedback that would only show up/take effect once both parties have left it. That way, a buyer could potentially leave a negative without getting one, which was the whole point.
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 Posted 02/10/2013  02:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuh_85 to your friends list
I've channeled over $400k through them in the past 2 years as both a buyer and a seller. 'Power Seller', 'Top-Rated Seller', 'Preferred Client', .... None of it means a thing when push comes to shove.
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 Posted 02/10/2013  04:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add artdio to your friends list
with you Kuh.... ebay - Paypal have Ins. to cover losses ..So imho they should be responcible if there is a loss and they should take it up with either PO... Our duties as sellers ends once the item is in the hands of the PO...
hummm wonder what would happen if someone started a class action against them ? I bet then things would change.
and On the feedback I also agree that we as sellers have no protection at all.. The buyer has all the power thanks to ebay. I say remove feedback all together or fix it so that no negative can be left until buyer and seller have worked together .and only then should it be left.
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 Posted 02/10/2013  07:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EOCanuck to your friends list
The power now lies with the purchaser because there were too many sellers that would rip people off and say they sent it when they didn't. This has now gone the other way allowing the buyers to rip off the seller but you will never get a completely happy balance. The feedback I can see, if I pay right away and you cant seem to send the package or the right package, ect. the feedback should not be even, I fulfilled my obligations whereas the seller has not meaning that I should get positive and depending on the scenario, the seller should not. I usually try to seek resolution before I leave negative feedback though.

I am on the purchasing end and have had international items I have not received and had no tracking which ended up saving me from losing my money so I think its great, but from the recommendation above the responsibility should stop at the post office? what about the person who dropped the money? how would they be protected out of that? just a thought..
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02/10/2013 07:18 am
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 Posted 02/10/2013  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rockdaddy to your friends list
Lol
Now you're talking about international, the only way to get tracking to international destinations is to pay for express shipping. I'd still love to see an active tracking # from a expedited parcel or express. I have a feeling you're talking about small packet air, because small packet does not have tracking.

I'm not saying I agree with PayPal or ebay, I'm just stating facts, expedited tracks no problem to USA, and expedited is not available for international delivery.
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 Posted 02/10/2013  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add errorone2012 to your friends list
Need an opinion on the whole ebay shipping thing . Kinda fits in with this thread . I just recently won an auction on ebay for an item . In the sellers description it states that he ships by USPS . Well he has now shipped my item and he did it by UPS . Since it is coming from florida to Canada I'm going to get hit with all kind of crazy UPS fees ( brokerage fees etc . ). If he had sent it by USPS I would not have to pay these fees . I'm unsure what to do in this situation as it has never happened to me before . It states clearly in his auction that he ships USPS . I have contacted the seller and he has not responded .Thought on how to handle this .
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 Posted 02/10/2013  09:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rockdaddy to your friends list
I definetly wouldn't be happy, I'd refuse it at the door if fees are extreme.
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 Posted 02/10/2013  09:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list
I have been hit with fees from the USPS as well. It really depends only I think on the customs declaration.
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 Posted 02/11/2013  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcadon to your friends list
9 times out of 10, shipping by US Postal Service, your package will arrive sans duty and/or taxes. It is a gamble (crap-shoot actually) that has paid off in my favour - as I've said - 9 times out of 10.

UPS on the other hand - there is NO gamble. Not only will they ding you for the taxes due, but also for their 'brokerage service fee' usually $25 or more.

It is YOUR right to 'clear' the parcel yourself. Ie advise them that you will be receiving an item, and you will arranged to clear it yourself. This is kind of convenient for me as I live on the border with a customs office right here. For others - it might present a substantial p.i.t.a. making UPS's fees more acceptable.
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 Posted 02/11/2013  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add middross to your friends list
As dcadon said, UPS always charges duty on top of their brokerage fee. If the auctionstated that it would be shipped via USPS, then I would contact the seller and let them knowthat this is unacceptable. At the very least,they should refund the brokerage fees. Preferably they should refund any "at the door" fees. If you don't hear from them before the item arrives you have a couple of options. Two of which would be.....
1.Refuse the item and get a refund from PayPal.
2.Take a chance and pay for the fees. Send the seller the payment amount, and ask for a refund. If they refuse, then take it up with paypal. It should work in your favour since the selling description states USPS.

Either way, best of luck and I hope it all works out for you.
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 Posted 02/12/2013  03:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter4805 to your friends list
I take my chances and go with the cheapest options unless it's over $200 So far I've been fortunate.
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 Posted 02/18/2013  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add errorone2012 to your friends list
Here is an update on the UPS deal . I accepted the package and paid the brokerage fees and taxes . I then explained to the seller this is what happens when things get shipped by UPS to canada . They requested a copy of the ups bill and after they received it they refunded my fees - including the taxes . Great to find such a seller , didn't really expect a refund , just wanted them to be aware of the issues with ups . All ended well !
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 Posted 02/19/2013  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add middross to your friends list
Good to hear that there are still sellers with integrity out there.
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 Posted 02/19/2013  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NathanASE to your friends list
I'm glad to hear the seller made right on that deal! That was very nice/understanding of him to pay the fee and taxes, definitely a stand up guy/gal! Honestly it could have been a learning experience for him/her, personally I didn't know that.. So there's the chance they didn't either.. But either way very cool of them to make right on it!
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 Posted 03/07/2013  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cameron93 to your friends list

Hi Everyone,

Hope you've all had a great day... :)

I always ship to USA using Canada Post "registered mail" with tracking and signature required on delivery... have never had a problem with shipments getting to destination...

After reading some of the comments in this topic post and some other posts regarding concerns that USPS does not get the signatures, I decided I would start following up with my USA buyers and asking them to respond and let me know when shipment arrives if they have to sign for...

I mail out of British Columbia... response from most recent buyer in Utah was... "signature was required by the USPS carrier"... letter took 10 days to get there...

I would suggest others shipping to USA ask their buyers to respond to similar questions and we can get a better picture as to what goes on once our shipments cross the line...

Take care, and Have a Great Evening!

cameron93
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