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Book Review:::: Ancient British Coins By Chris Rudd

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 Posted 02/21/2013  05:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinage123 to your friends list
Cassidy, would there be any chance you could look up a coin for me? It is a Sego sphinx bronze unit.
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 Posted 02/21/2013  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cassidy77 to your friends list
Sego sphinx bronze unit::listed as ABC453 coin of the Cantiaci. Sego is thought to be a younger son of Tascciovanus..5-15 AD ruler of Kent..this is all theoretical..the coin itself is considered Very Rare RR also identified as VA1855;:::BMC 1690:::Obverse identical to Tasciovanus Bull ABC2682 which is RRRR excessively rare

Geometric pattern forming 8 pointed star around central pellet in ring
Sphinx 1..uncertain legend [SEGO?} in front

ABC has pictures but I'm not camera

http://www.celticcoins.ca/vanarsdel...I&van=1855-1

this link shows number 940293 as being a sego type listed as a trinovantes coin

hope this helps..maybe ill get a photo uploaded later

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 Posted 02/21/2013  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cassidy77 to your friends list
listed as a Catuvellauni design type [not trinovantes}
ABC 2682

This info is all in the ABC Book and is easy to reference

when I get my camera set up I will photgraph it and post it

Did you aquire one? One has been found as recently as july 2012 by metdet in UK [of course!]
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 Posted 02/21/2013  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Monkeybean to your friends list
Hi Cassidy , here are my Celtic finds , all found in my county , can you guess which part of the uk I live ? ( no cheating )

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 Posted 02/21/2013  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cassidy77 to your friends list
cranborne chase gold stater

DUROTRIGES

58-50 BC

The Durotriges were one of the Celtic tribes living in Britain prior to the Roman invasion. The tribe lived in modern Dorset, south Wiltshire, south Somerset and Devon east of the River Axe. After the Roman conquest, their main civitates, or settlement-centred administrative units, were Durnovaria (modern Dorchester, "the probable original capital") and Lindinis (modern Ilchester, "whose former, unknown status was thereby enhanced"[1]). Their territory was bordered to the west by the Dumnonii; and to the east by the Belgae.


Maiden Castle, Dorset was in the territory of the Durotriges
Durotriges were more a tribal confederation than a tribe.[2] They were one of the groups that issued coinage before the Roman conquest, part of the cultural "periphery", as Barry Cunliffe characterised them, round the "core group" of Britons in the south. These coins were rather simple and had no inscriptions, and thus no names of coin-issuers can be known, let alone evidence about monarchs or rulers. Nevertheless, the Durotriges presented a settled society, based in the farming of lands surrounded and controlled by strong hill forts that were still in use in 43 AD. Maiden Castle is a preserved example of one of these hill forts.


The Celtic tribes of Southern Britain showing the Durotriges and their neighbours.
The area of the Durotriges is identified in part by coin finds:[4] few Durotrigan coins are found in the "core" area, where they were apparently unacceptable and were reminted. To their north and east were the Belgae, beyond the Avon and its tributary Wylye: "the ancient division is today reflected in the county division between Wiltshire and Somerset."[5] Their main outlet for the trade across the Channel, strong in the first half of the 1st century BC, when the potter's wheel was introduced, then drying up in the decades before the advent of the Romans, was at Hengistbury Head. Numismatic evidence shows progressive debasing of the coinage, suggesting economic retrenchment accompanying the increased cultural isolation. Analysis of the body of Durotrigan ceramics suggests to Cunliffe that the production was increasingly centralised, at Poole Harbour (Cunliffe 2005:183). Burial of Durotriges was by inhumation, with a last ritual meal provided even under exiguous circumstances, as in the eight burials at Maiden Castle, carried out immediately after the Roman attack.
Not surprisingly, the Durotriges resisted Roman invasion in AD 43, and the historian Suetonius records some fights between the tribe and the second legion Augusta, then commanded by Vespasian. By 70 AD, the tribe was already Romanised and securely included in the Roman province of Britannia. In the tribe's area, the Romans explored some quarries and supported a local pottery industry.

what me cheat?

maybe I could accompany you someday on mt next trip to the uk..id love to go along coin hunting...never done it before!
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 Posted 02/21/2013  2:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cassidy77 to your friends list
slight correction

These coins are easy to id from the ABC book but it is a bit tricky because many of the Gold staters in other groups ie the corieltauvi have very similar patterns. The cranbourne stater pictured is ABC 2157 listed as S common

i think it may be silver and not gold

the smaller coin appears to be ABC 2160 called the Spread Tail stater..either silver or Billon listed as S common

common reads as more than 200....which for most coin issues would be exceedingly rare...thats the beauty of Celtic coinage ..its undervalued because of demand

the smallest coin is hard to see but I dont think its Durotrigan
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 Posted 02/21/2013  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinage123 to your friends list
Thank you for all the information. I think the one you found on the metal detecting forum was the one I bought
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 Posted 02/21/2013  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Monkeybean to your friends list
Well done , it is a billion one I think , you can see bronze coming through on parts of it .
The smaller one is Durotriges silver quarter stater , 3 men in a boat type ( not the starfish one )
Well done :)
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 Posted 02/21/2013  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cassidy77 to your friends list
@monkeybean.....well I'm glad I passed the test..I also have 2 types of the the "3 men in a boat " acquired through Silbury Coins and Forum coins respectively

it is the Gold 1/4 stater type ..small and thick ABC 2205 Duro Boat Gold listed as Scarce

and I have the silver 1/4 stater which is probably like yours listed as ABC 2217 called Duro Thunderbolt ...very common

by the way your personal finds are remarkable as Celtic coins are very much the small minority of metdet coins found in the UK and many metdets never find one mostly due to the fact they were only produced for 150 years and are found in an exclusive area of the UK called the Celtic coin finding area which is also outlined in the ABC book. and FYI... There is a whole 1/2 page devoted to the Cranborne chase silver stater which enlarges the coin and examines every detail of the design on pg 113..... I believe it is one of the earliest and influential designs of the Celtic Uk coin era. congrats on your finds.....
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 Posted 02/21/2013  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cassidy77 to your friends list
@coinage 123...may I enquire how much the Sego Sphinx piece cost you? I will have to enroll in that Metdet forum because it could be a good source of fresh coinage. did you know that for me to buy coins from the uk requires the seller to apply for a treasure export permit? I'm not sure how much it would cost to get such a permit but I know that many dealers and sellers dont bother.....unless they are going by the book.
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 Posted 02/21/2013  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinage123 to your friends list
Of course, I spotted it on ebay as I recognised it from the detecting forum. It cost me £20 overall which I don't think was too bad. I will upload some pictures if you like.
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 Posted 02/21/2013  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cassidy77 to your friends list
@coinage 123...love to see your sego sphinx..thanks for the price info
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 Posted 02/21/2013  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cassidy77 to your friends list
@ coinage 123 if its nice the 20BP seems like a steal....I would love to see this sego sphinx coin
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 Posted 02/22/2013  02:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cassidy77 to your friends list
nice coin and definitely a challenge especially without any clues....ABC 2685 Tasciovanus Star has the exact geometric design with the Bull facing right on the reverse..He was the Father of Cunobelinus and this design is also found on ABC 2679 and 2682 which are other Tasc coins and he was perhaps the most prolific producer of coin designs and remains largely a mystery of history...Sego came after him and of course your coin is attributed to Sego..who came before Cunobelinus. It is speculation about who Sego was but he appears to be a ruler of the Cantiaci or Cantii...in Kent but its all theory....this info was taken from the ABC book
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