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Results- Vacuum Sealing Coins- 1 Month Later

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 Posted 04/29/2007  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BRUCE 1947 to your friends list
Food bags should not have pvc in them, or at least that is what I was led to believe.

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 Posted 04/29/2007  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phoenix21 to your friends list
Thanks for the results. I unfortunatly learned the hard way not to do this. Not only does it dull them, but the seal a meal bags with the horizontal lines, will leave marks on the coins. And will also fog them up. Unfortunatly I put my proof silver quarters in one, and you can guess how I felt when I took them out.

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 Posted 04/30/2007  07:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
Food bags are made of polyethylene
which means ethylene might be left
I have not the foggiest idea what ethylene would do to a coin
Generally two plastics are safe Mylar and Acrylic used in Capsules
( there may be others )

http://www.universalplastic.com/food.htm
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 Posted 05/01/2007  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mila_cent to your friends list
collect4fun, Bigfella... the reason I tested this was because another member questioned about a vacuum sealed bags to preserves their coins. I was not sure if this method was safe for long term storage.
I myself use the vacuum seal method for mailing purposes only. So it got me thinking and I decided to test it since I have this vacuum sealer device.


graceoutcast....sorry to disappoint you but, no. Wasn't planing to continue.

Jim1953...The bags are safe for foods. As I said previously, this was only a test out of my own curiosity when the question was brought up on it's safety for coins.

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 Posted 05/01/2007  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldDan to your friends list
From what I've been told and understand about plastics, is that no matter if it's Mylar, Acrylic or plane old polyethylene, they all out-gas to some extent. So actually the vacuum only placed the coins in an invirment that wasn't best for coins.
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 Posted 05/01/2007  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
More unscientific experiments I presume. To many items left out of these tests. For example what was the ambient temperature inside when sealed and outside during the test? Was it a complete vacuum? Was there any possibility that air filled with moiture and carbon dioxide where on the coins itself when sealed? Exactly what type of plastic was used and how old was the plastic?
The experiment appears to show that something was sealed in with the coins.
I have been putting my Whitman Classic Albums in freezer type bags with as much air squeezed out as possible. I've been doing this for more years than most people have been collecting coins and no adverse reactions of any kind yet. I keep my house dehumidified and my basement even more so. I do not move coins from one invironment to another oftem enough to accumulate foreign substances. Again, none of my coins look any different than they did the day I first got them. Some have been with me for well over 60 years now.
Of course for very long term conditions that may change. For example in another few hundred years my coins may start to fade and if they do I'll let you know.
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 Posted 05/01/2007  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
It does depend on the plastic used. I know there's one German-based coin dealership, Mietens & Partner, that vacuum-seals the uncirculated coins they sell. I've bought coins that have been sitting in "Mietenspak" wrappers for years, and the coins are OK. They claim on their website to have done lots of trial and error to find the best plastics to use to allow safe, long-term storage.
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From what I've been told and understand about plastics, is that no matter if it's Mylar, Acrylic or plane old polyethylene, they all out-gas to some extent. So actually the vacuum only placed the coins in an invirment that wasn't best for coins.

That's correct, though whether it damages the coin depends entirely on what the gas that's coming off actually is. Acidic vapours like hydrochloric and acetic acid can damage or discolour a coin.
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 Posted 05/02/2007  06:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Southern Yankee to your friends list
I think there must have been some moisture or something sealed into the bags as others have stated. I have tried this before also. I had some sealed up to a year with no ill effects to the coins. It got to the point it wasn't worth the hassle of sealing them up. One thing I did notice that a few of them had slowly lost the seal after a few months. Hard to get a good seal.
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 Posted 05/02/2007  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add averyb2 to your friends list
Okay, so what you're actaully trying to say is that this experiment really sucked...
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 Posted 05/02/2007  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list
Mila cent

How about some pictures of the coins once removed from the bag ?

even mint cello makes the coins look hazy,, but when they are removed the coins are fine and the haze is in the cello.

its possible that the plastic having been stretched over the coins is what has hazed not the coins.

If I remember right the vacum bags are not exactly clear anyway!!

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 Posted 05/02/2007  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thingee to your friends list
The experiment was successful in the manner it taught a lesson.

Why buy a vacumn when all ya gotta do is drop da coin in da baggie, pull it over your lips and inhale.
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 Posted 05/03/2007  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cfuller43 to your friends list
That's funny though, because I think I remember in the "infomercial" they said that vacuum sealing coins, comics, and other collectables is an ideal way to store and preserve them.
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 Posted 05/03/2007  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mila_cent to your friends list
Metalman, sorry I hadn't thought of posting a picture after removing it from the bag. I don't have the coin any longer but I can say that the coin(s) were not as shiney when I first put them in. Some of the lusture was gone.

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 Posted 05/03/2007  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
In reality not all plastics leak anything. Many are extreamly stable until high temperatures are attained. I've put coins inside plastic to make letter openers, pen holders, paper weights, etc for many years and they look the same as the day they were put there. Obvilusly if it was plastic that effected coins, all of mine would have turned into a mess by now. The primary plastics that leak chemicals are the one where a substance is added to make it more flexible or to make pretty colors. And just as radioactive materials have a half life, so does any chemically treated substance where there is some decay by the disipation of that substance. However, eventually when it is all gone there just AIN'T no more. Such is the story of PVC which has become almost an expression when someone dosen't know what caused something.
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 Posted 05/07/2007  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
I surprised no one asked what was done to the coins before they were sealed in to make sure there were no contaminamts on their surfaces, That could also affect the results. It is also difficult to make a comparison from the photos as well since they were shot at different angles and different lighting conditions.

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That's funny though, because I think I remember in the "infomercial" they said that vacuum sealing coins, comics, and other collectables is an ideal way to store and preserve them.

Remember, they are selling vaccuum sealers, not coins, comics, or other collectibles.
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