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Should Sbas Be Left In Circulation If We Ax The $1 Bill?

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 Posted 03/22/2013  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add skyshark124 to your friends list
I like the idea of the Presidential dolalr series for coins, and as stated previously, the SBAs were not my favorite coin in the past but have definitely grown on me. However, I think we're still making the same mistake we made with the size of the SBA when we made the Sacagawea dollar. The golden coloring does turn a nasty tarnished brown very fast, and again, it's a dollar but nearly the size of a quarter. If you're gonna do that, may as well make all coin change similar in size since apparently size doesn't matter (note: I do not think we should do this). Idunno, I rant. We need a major overhaul of our coin designs and need to shake it up a bit. Our designs are lacking.
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 Posted 03/22/2013  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list

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cull all Sbas from circulation, brass plate them with the Golden Dollar brass

There are some very serious technical issues with your proposal. Golden dollars are clad, not plated, so there is no process in place to electroplate SBAs. Electroplating a coin(or anything for that matter) requires a clean surface so every single SBA would have to be thoroughly cleaned first, adding additional cost to the procedure. Currently, the electromagnetic signature for an SBA and golden dollar are identical. Electroplating a cupronickel SBA with brass would change its electromagnetic signature, rendering it useless for vending applications. It would be pointless to melt SBAs since the Treasury would actually lose money do so, their face value by far exceeds the melt value.

The population of currently-circulating SBAs is already fairly low so it is not like there is a massive surplus of them like the Pres dollars. Low inventory levels were the reason why SBA production was cranked up again in 1999 after the longest break in history for any US coinage series, there was simply not enough left to meet commercial needs(primarily USPS stamp vending machines and mass transit ticket machines).
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 Posted 03/22/2013  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
I see no reason to pull them, they work just like the golden dollars.
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 Posted 03/22/2013  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doug58s to your friends list
I agree with many others here - there is no reason to do anything to the SBA - just start spending them. The easiest way to do that would be for the government to stop printing new dollars and say we are done.
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 Posted 03/22/2013  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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The easiest way to do that would be for the government to stop printing new dollars and say we are done.
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 Posted 03/22/2013  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bookshelf to your friends list
I received a SBA dollar coin in my change today at the post office.
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 Posted 03/22/2013  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fox to your friends list
biokemist6,

I know that the GDs (and SBAs) are "clad" coins, and their electromagnetic signature matches the the GDs. I just thought that a thin layer of GD brass would keep the SBA's Mahnetic signature the same, seeing as the brass works the same on the GDs themselves) My only concern was that the GD brass plated SBA's plating would make them too much heavier to work the same as a true GD, but I'm not sure. I do know that, at one time they were talking about 24 karat gold plating SBAs to be the next dollar coin, way back in the 1980s or 1990s (not sure, its been years, possibly decades) but the problem was, no vending machine would accept ANY coin with real "gold" on it. Some coin company was selling 24 karat gold plated SBAs for a while.

Oh, and by the way, I heard that "electro" plating doeen't even use a metal to plate the base metal, and that it was something else done to the metal to make it "look" plated. Is that true? Or does electroplating actually use metal to plate base metals?
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 Posted 03/22/2013  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jack jeckel to your friends list
The SBA are to hard to tell apart from quarters at a quick glance for cashiers.

The gold (now blackened or some other horrible shade of NOT GOLD after a month in circulation) dollar coins are easier to tell what they are a ta quick glance.

Since I try to spend halves and dollar coins I get from rolls before I have to turn them back in to the bank to get a new hauls worth I have gotten all kinds of questions from cashiers as to "are these real, what are these, etc" and even had a few count out the halves as if they were dollar coins and had to correct them so as not to rip the store off and the SBA dollars really throw them off mainly due to their size.
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 Posted 03/23/2013  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list
Aye although SBAs were an utter failure, there is no good way to "retrofit" them so that they are less confusable with quarters (as the golden dollars are). They'll just have to spend time in circulation until they are culled naturally and golden dollars supplant them completely. Currently, they only represent a small fraction of circulating dollar coins as it is so it's already happening.
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 Posted 03/23/2013  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Craig T to your friends list
I tend to agree that the SBA's were a dismal failure, however I don't see that as being enough of a reason to pull them from circulation, besides maybe I'll get lucky and find a 1979P wide rim in my change. I would also like to see an American version of the Toonie as I think that particular Canadian coin is the most attractive circulating coin out there.
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 Posted 03/23/2013  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add skyshark124 to your friends list
I bought five halves at the gas station today (turned out to all be clad) and the cashier asked, "What are they?" I told him it is a half dollar. He then asked, "How much are they worth?" I totally could have said "A quarter." It's a coin, dude. It tells you what it's worth right on it. I call that a clue.
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 Posted 03/24/2013  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list

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I would also like to see an American version of the Toonie as I think that particular Canadian coin is the most attractive circulating coin out there.

Okay, here's my solution...
1. US Mint picks out SBAs from circulation.
2. US Mint makes SBA-shaped rings that say something like "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, LIBERTY, FREEDOM, SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS, ETC." and have a dead president (preferably more than one) on them.
3. US Mint mints the SBAs into the rings and stamps a "TWO" over the "ONE" on the SBA.
4. US Mint makes massive profits over collectors trying to collect all possible SBA date/new date combinations (like Spanish pesetas).
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 Posted 03/27/2013  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billymac11 to your friends list
Keep Susie. No purpose would be served by removing them from circulation, especially if it were at the same time as ending $1 bills.
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 Posted 03/27/2013  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
From what I can see the dollar coin in the US has NEVER been utilised to it's full extent.
You only have to look at the condition of the Morgan and Peace dollars available to see that they were not circulated much.
The Ike's and the new SBA type coins are pretty much in the same boat.
If the Dollar note was made redundant I would imagine the Dollar coins would finally get used simply because there would be no other way to make change.

The changeover from Stirling to decimal went rather smoothly in Aus.
3 coin sizes were retained 5,10 and 20 cent replacing the 6d,1/- and the florin.
A new coin was created the 50 cents.
we had 1 and 2 cent coins but these were demonetised in the 90's .
When the 1 and 2 dollar notes ceased to be made (old ones are still legal tender) 2 new coins were created the 1 and 2 dollars.
These 1 and 2 dollar coins are probably the MOST used coins here in Aus.

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 Posted 03/27/2013  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add skyshark124 to your friends list
I just got a pile of foreign coins from my step father and several Australian 1 and 2 cent coins were in there. I like the designs. I think our paper money and coin money should mirror each other. For example, we have 1, 5, 10, 25 and 50 cent pieces. We should have 1, 5, 10, 25 and 50 bills too. Somehow a $20 bill got slipped in, but we got rid of the 20 cent piece. Oh well. Maybe I just like the idea of a coin/paper parallel.
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