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1923 Half Penny NGC/ PCGS

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 Posted 07/10/2016  06:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bilbo87 to your friends list
Ah-ha that's weird? I will remember that for next time. Have a great night.
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 Posted 07/10/2016  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
The serrif of the '2' looks quite different, one from the other.
I agree with trout regarding the grade - probably just an attempt to promote the coin.

This coin should be sent to Noble Numismatics or I.S.Wright in Sydney, or Downies in Melbourne, for an independent opinion of the highest reputation.

In this case, the slab just helps to cloud attempts at authentication; best to break the coin out of it's prison for closer examination and confirmation of weight.

Unfortunately, it is common knowledge that there are a few very deceptive fakes out there.
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 Posted 07/10/2016  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bilbo87 to your friends list
Thank you for that info Sel_69l. Would yo know anyone in Brisbane you could recommend to inspect the coin for me?
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 Posted 07/11/2016  01:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add squaremealroundplate to your friends list
Bilbo87

It looks to me as though the coin has been dipped and lightly covered up going by the ebay image. Underneath the obverse lettering around the perimeter of the rim is too light coppery looking for an Australian copper coin from that era. Like the coin has been left in Coca Cola for a bit too long. For what it's worth : I don't like the look of the lettering on the reverse. Have you got a eg. 1922 or 1925 halfpenny to compare the reverse lettering with that on the 1923 ? Also for comparison the reverse lettering of a eg. 1919 halfpenny should be a good guide for any variation(s) to lettering on a 1923 halfpenny.

Hope this helps you.
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 Posted 07/11/2016  01:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Bilbo87: I believe SAP, a CCF member, lives in the Brisbane area; perhaps he may suggest the best coin dealer with the best specialist knowledge that may be able to help you.
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 Posted 07/11/2016  05:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echidna to your friends list
Based on the PCGS pic the coin looks genuine.
Overgraded in my opinion though.
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 Posted 07/11/2016  06:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bilbo87 to your friends list
Thank you for your help and advice guys, once I receive the coin I will have it checked out and update you all on the outcome.

@sel_69l I will endeavour to contact SAP, as I'm a new member my privilege to email another member is revoked. I have contacted Admin for permission to do this.

In any case, I will ring around the various collectors trading in Brisbane tomorrow to see if they can recommend an expert for me.

Thanks again guys

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Australia
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 Posted 07/11/2016  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list
If you simply google 'Coins Dealers Brisbane', you should get the 3 main ones.

I just compared it to my coin and it looks 'kosher' to me, but my coin is way more worn.

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07/11/2016 8:21 pm
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 Posted 07/11/2016  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add agent86 to your friends list
I have seen it. It is genuine.
What is the problem with you people?
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 Posted 07/11/2016  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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I have seen it. It is genuine.
What is the problem with you people?


I can feel you frustration But as none of us know who you actually are and what you numismatic credentials/experience are, it is difficult for many here to put any credence to your statements of authenticity .
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 Posted 07/12/2016  03:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
I had my suspicions but now that I know for certain who "agent86" is, There is NO doubt in my mind that this coin is definitely Genuine
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 Posted 07/12/2016  04:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bilbo87 to your friends list
Excellent to hear trout1105. Thanks agent86, I appreciate all of your help in this forum. Have a great evening (:
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07/12/2016 04:55 am
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 Posted 07/12/2016  05:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list
I'd say it has to be genuine. The easiest way to tell is to go to PCGS Lookup and enter the slab number. Then you will see the imperfections match this coin.
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 Posted 07/12/2016  7:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevo1962 to your friends list

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Based on the PCGS pic the coin looks genuine.
Overgraded in my opinion though.


I agree that the coin is genuine and have a couple of these in XF40 as well and can say that the grade of this coin is pretty consistent with my 2
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 Posted 07/26/2016  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eric to your friends list
I don't want to dismiss (legitimate) concerns about fake coins (of which we should always be vigilant), but worrying about fake coins in real or fake PCGS holders is like worrying about getting a fake $100 bill from the bank. It can happen, but is so unlikely that you're better off not losing sleep over it.

In the last ten years, I have seen:
1) Zero fake Australian coins in real PCGS holders,
2) One (very) fake Australian coin in a (very) fake PCGS holder,
3) Two fake Australian coins in genuine NGC holders; and,
4) And no fake Australian coins in fake NGC holders.
This is three spurious items out of thousands and thousands of Australian coins in PCGS and NGC holders out there, so it's hardly a concern (at the moment).

Eric

PS: agent86 is one of the good guys.
Edited by Eric
07/26/2016 6:20 pm
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