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Pillar of the Community
United States
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BTTB---I wish you were right, but it just isn't that simple. You should definitely go bounce that theory off of the gang in our main market analysis thread -- https://goccf.com/t/142068 -- I think if you do, your theory will get eaten alive. You said "...silver is rising ever so slowly..." and silver "...can do nothing but go up..." Here are some silver spot prices and dates from the Kitco historical charts---4/9/11=$47.94; 9/14/12=$34.68; 9amEST today=$24.93; 9:34pmEST today=$24.14. Although silver spot rebounded from $18.50 back up to the present $24.14 in the last 60 days, it spent the 27 months before that dropping from $47.94 down to $18.50. The last 29-month period is not a picture of overall rising silver spot. It's a major downturn with a very small pickup at the very tail end of the period and it even dropped significantly in the last 12 hours today. As for silver spot being able to "...do nothing but go up..." -- The last two years of spot performance don't support that view. It'd be nice if we've bottomed out and it's going to be nothing but "to the moon" from here, but the last 12 hours don't make that look too certain. But---I'm just a disingenuous, uninsightful amateur at this stuff and this thread isn't really "where it's at." You should lay your view on the regulars in that other thread. |
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Do you guys think that silver will ever see lower prices in the near future? I say probably. What are your predictions for the next month? Prices normally drop around Christmas time, do they not? The question is, will the price rise enough now to the point that it will be the same price now and Xmas, or will the price drop now and drop further into Xmas?
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United States
1200 Posts |
After the bottoming-out around $18.50 we've had a bit of a "recovery upswing" (NOT approved jargon--just my personal description), but the upswing has been faltering in the >$25 area.
I kind of doubt the upswing will continue--I think spot will keep on knocking around in the >$25 area or maybe start falling back down again. That's about as precise as I'll dare to get.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Until silver actually breaks 50 per oz clean (only been their twice via like early 80's and what 2011) you got no evidence what so ever it going anywhere but up and down through the year between $17.50 and most likely $40 per oz. tops....
New stackers come in with this vision of buying in low at the time when its low and expect its just gonna shoot to the moon and never come back down again, well that just aint reality....
FACT is if it did, as I always say WE ALL would be out of the pm buying game and only the ELITE of the ELITE could afford to stack via 1% of world population, and that makes ZERO sense....
The fact it goes up and down and you all win a little or lose a little along the way its what keeps all the wheels turning, step back a few miles and look at it from a broader perspective.....
I have heard it all NEW tech and industry demand in weapons, medical field yada yada.....
Toss a silver coin in water or milk like old days and for whatever reason the bacteria can no longer reproduce, we all know this its got endless uses....
But would all these companies even be able to buy it in large amounts and use in their tech if it was 75 per oz., no they would not they would have to adapt to something else....
Edited by Silverhawk74
09/06/2013 1:41 pm
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Japan
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But would all these companies even be able to buy it in large amounts and use in their tech if it was 75 per oz how much silver there's in iphone? now multiply that silver to $75/oz and see how much effect it will have on total cost per the phone. the same is true for many other applications of silver |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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how much silver there's in iphone?
now multiply that silver to $75/oz and see how much effect it will have on total cost per the phone.
the same is true for many other applications of silver There is roughly .35 grams of silver, .034 grams of gold, 16 grams of copper, and .00034 grams of platinum in an iphone. Roughly .25 cents worth of silver in an iphone at today's price. When I listen to LED ZEPPELIN...so do my neighbors...
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Edited by fistfulladirt
09/07/2013 09:05 am
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Valued Member
United States
477 Posts |
The answer is very simple, so simple it's mind numbing. Here's the pure fact about silver price:
I bought a majority of my stash at or above $27. As long as I hold it the price will stay below $25.
But the day after I sell it all look for it to skyrocket into the 40s or beyond.
Rick
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I feel ya there Rick no doubt lol. Murphy's law kick us all in the backside....
I as well got into silver I think in 2009 when I first joined here a few months there after....
My mother gave me like 11 Twin Tower silver rounds she bought for 10 bucks each in 2000 when silver was around 4 to 6 per oz.....
At that time after house market disaster 2008 MUCH hype and steam poured into press so TOOLS like me could pick up on it and get into PMS....
Remember the guy talking about debt and his fear America videos and how he called the fall of the big mall corp before it happened, gm, and Fannie and Freddie?
Well his logic aint all wrong and he WAS WAY WRONG on his time line, but it all could come to pass....
But alas silver is about 3 bucks less per oz then when I got in it....
I thought just like all the new stackers, only going up and never coming back down and for the longest time I looked like a genius as I added over a 100 to that 11 and silver shot up to 50 per oz for FIRST time in 30 years....
Figured I had whipped the system, THEN GUYS REALITY SET IN OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, and alas we are where we are....
Did I STOP buying, or believing in, or stackin pmz? No, I simply adapted to the current situation....
Edited by Silverhawk74
09/07/2013 12:17 pm
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Valued Member
United States
477 Posts |
Yep, I'm still buying silver too but mostly only slabbed modern proofs unless it's a good price, spent allmost $300 last week on them.
Rick
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I have slowed down as well. Only higher end Walkers. Waiting for $10 silver and $400 gold to go all in. That seems to be what they are calling for in the other thread. They are calling for the bottom to drop out and a return to the lows.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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"There is roughly .35 grams of silver, .034 grams of gold, 16 grams of copper, and .00034 grams of platinum in an iphone.
Roughly .25 cents worth of silver in an iphone at today's price."
This is why people don't bother trying to recover it. For this reason, silver in electronics is being thrown away daily and decreasing the amount of available silver. I wonder if in ours lifetimes that amount of silver will be worth recovering?
One thing is for sure, supply and demand says that if the supply decreases the prices will increase if demands stay the same or increase.
The question now is, will we throw it away faster than we can mine it? Eventually we wont have any more to mine. I fear for the day when the world needs resources that have been piled into landfills in staggering quantities.
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Bedrock of the Community
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This is why people don't bother trying to recover it. For this reason, silver in electronics is being thrown away daily and decreasing the amount of available silver. It is being recovered now and has been for a few years. Theres electronic scrap yards all across the country now, some national stores like Best Buy have programs as well. |
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Valued Member
United States
477 Posts |
When I took a film photography class years ago they were saving the fixer for silver recovery so it has been being recycled for a while.
Rick
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Valued Member
United States
339 Posts |
"Waiting for $10 silver and $400 gold to go all in."
Ain't gonna happen.
I'm new to this forum, but been stacking since 2006. I also have a masters degree in economic geology and spent time working for a Chinese owned gold exploration company in the Mojave desert. Yes the Chinese are prospecting in the US as we fart around on this forum.
$400 gold would bankrupt every gold miner in the world.
I am not by any means the best market timer, if I was I'd be trading futures not stacking, but I did call the low in silver at $18 early this summer, and I expect it to hold.
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Gold is never going to be $400.00 oz,he is right not going to happen..It may go just under
$1000.00,,just another $300 drop,,drop in silver will be around $15.00 oz...People sell their phones at times but not as much as they trade it in for a upgrades,,so how many get trashed not as may you may think,,upgrading is what people do and will always do as long as the Company's will have it.
Who in there right mind thinks gold will go down to $400.00..Maybe folks need to see how well mining company's trade for or read more about life in the new age,,we are lucky to get it right now as low as it is,,it will drop more but not much and not for now,, paper will rule...Paper rules metals hurt,,Paper get more hopes up metals will hurt,when the people want metal no more low prices that simple,,watch how bad things will be on the 17th of Oct for paper,,this Monday will be the alarm go off 3 time or so in in the last 10 years,,folks just hit sleep mode but this next 2 weeks and end of 2008 people will get it,,hard metal is where its at,,not paper,,,
Far as illegal mining in the USA where,,not happening.That just silly talk the USA will not have it...U can not even build a small parking lot with out 50 folks in on it,,Cosmos
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