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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I seem to recall these big banks have all been investigated for this, always get out of it though.
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Rest in Peace
United States
2668 Posts |
Brinks is pulling silver!? I knew it! 
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: Aww, come on BB -- don't tell me you don't love a good conspiracy theory ... Lol some are definitely more humorous than others. I do enjoy that the earth is run by lizard people lol. There are some that may have some validity. Brinks pulling silver wouldnt be out of the question, it is possible the warning was intentionally not sent back to Pear Harbor, however without proof its nothing more than rumor. Then theres others like the 9-11 buildings were brought down by bombs and a tomahawk hit the pentagon that just go so far past stupidity its not even remotely entertaining. Isolated things I could believe, world wide massive conspiracies I dont. That implies the people involved in those are so much smarter than everyone else its just not even funny. I dont believe that for a second. Also the amount of trust and silence that would have to take place is unbelievable. We couldnt even keep Osamas death quiet for a few hours before the Presidents speech yet some how thousands of people are supposed to be in on this?
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Valued Member
United States
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Unless they are miners, I don't know why people get all upset about manipulation.
And these are often the same ones who go right out and buy more silver even though they believe it is manipulated.
If you buy something that you know is manipulated and the prices drops, then man up and admit your mistake.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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yes, Lizard people are running the show on earth. you know how I am so sure of it. I saw it on TV, on Doctor Who... so it HAS to be true! which must mean then, lizards people like silver and gold because they are deep in the middle mining it.
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Valued Member
United States
456 Posts |
Quote: Unless they are miners, I don't know why people get all upset about manipulation. You're kidding, right?
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: You're kidding, right?
He has a point. The theory is its being held down by manipulation so in essence the complaint is you arent being allowed to make massive amounts of money off of it. The miners are the ones whose jobs depend on it, everyone else made the choice to get into it or not. He also has a point that if you are convinced its so easily manipulated why buy it? You wouldnt buy a stock for a company that you know cooks their books.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Shouldn't the downward price make most of you happy? Once you buy physical, you don't own less of it if the price drops. It doesn't evaporate with a downward price in imaginary dollars.
This doesn't hurt me because I'm not cashing it in, and I can afford more now, and I can rely on the possibility that many people might join in on buying silver. I have no doubt that this price will go back up again to at least the low 30s shortly; that's my guess.
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Valued Member
United States
456 Posts |
Quote: He has a point. The theory is its being held down by manipulation so in essence the complaint is you arent being allowed to make massive amounts of money off of it. The miners are the ones whose jobs depend on it, everyone else made the choice to get into it or not. The complaint isn't that I'm not being allowed to make massive amounts of money off of it. The complaint is that manipulation is immoral and illegal. I didn't invest in precious metals to get rich. I don't think anyone here has that mindset. I don't know if manipulation is taking place, but I certainly am not ok with the idea. The idea that I should be ok with it unless I'm a miner is ridiculous. Shame on me for investing in metals because I have a choice, but miners don't have the free will to choose another profession? Quote: He also has a point that if you are convinced its so easily manipulated why buy it? You wouldnt buy a stock for a company that you know cooks their books. Yeah, I'm sorry, it's not the same thing. If manipulation is taking place, it's not gold and silver that are manipulating their own value. The hope is that the free market will control the price, and that external forces can't control it for their benefit at the expense of others. Price manipulation doesn't have to directly affect me for me to have a problem with it. Like I said, I don't know if this is what's taking place, but if it is, I have a big problem with it, regardless of how it affects the prices. Not everyone thinks about how these things affect only themselves.
Edited by SDCrow 04/23/2013 5:27 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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While I think there the price is manipulated, I feel it is the paper market. They sell more contracts then they have physical PM to settle with should everyone want to take delivery. I just remember the big spike in price 2 years ago now and the big drop a few days before a lot of paper settlements were out there for a lot less than the 40 amost 50 price of spot silver. I think silver is actually artificially low now, just my opinion, so a good investment for the longterm store of value. The problem is that none is out there for the usual prices!
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: The complaint isn't that I'm not being allowed to make massive amounts of money off of it. The complaint is that manipulation is immoral and illegal. I didn't invest in precious metals to get rich. I don't think anyone here has that mindset. I don't know if manipulation is taking place, but I certainly am not ok with the idea. Everything is manipulated though, theres not a standard price above cost people are allowed to charge for something. People charge what they feel they can get. The entire idea of an investment is manipulation based. Buying or selling is a manipulation of the price, some have more of an impact than others. But no matter what the investment you will always be jockeying to improve your position or buy at the lowest and sell at the highest. That doesn't mean youre doing anything illegal without proof of illegal activity. My point is basically lets take a step back and ask how that would supposedly be possible. Why are these metals supposedly supposed to be soaring to never before seen heights. If it was so easy to manipulate something like whats being claimed it would be happening all over and they would be making money insane amounts of money. We know thats not the case. Quote: Shame on me for investing in metals because I have a choice, but miners don't have the free will to choose another profession? Possibly. If they mine in north america sure, south american or african villages maybe maybe not. And I wasnt saying shame on you for investing in silver. Some people seem dead set convinced theres a huge conspiracy in the works, I was saying if they were so sure of that why would they put their money into it? Quote: If manipulation is taking place, it's not gold and silver that are manipulating their own value. Its not the products a company produces manipulating their own value either, its the people that control them just like it would be here. And its not that I'm only concerned about myself. Its that theres a lot of fear mongering out there for their own personal gain. The people pushing those theories are getting rich off of site hits or newsletters ect. Your right we dont know whats going on behind the scenes, and without knowing that or any proof the first conclusion shouldnt be its being manipulated illegally.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3789 Posts |
1- free markets do exist and work beautifully.
2- gold and silver have had great runs. What am I missing? historic highs were made in gold. Whats wrong with that? I don't see that gold was manipulated.
As I have always said, people complain when prices rise. They complain that they go down.
Maybe people who believe in manipulation in gold and silver are just plainly unhappy people who are never happy no matter what in life, who live on the outside fringes and can't see things for what they really are.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1200 Posts |
Yup---Aren't you secretly one of the Lizard People infiltrating us as part of their advance guard?
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Valued Member
United States
456 Posts |
Quote: My point is basically lets take a step back and ask how that would supposedly be possible. Why are these metals supposedly supposed to be soaring to never before seen heights. My only point was that I would not be ok with manipulation that interferes with the free market, plain and simple. IF there was manipulation to this degree, there are many on the losing side of it all. I'm not ok with that, even if it would mean lower prices for me in the short-term. Quote: And its not that I'm only concerned about myself. Its that theres a lot of fear mongering out there for their own personal gain. The people pushing those theories are getting rich off of site hits or newsletters ect. I couldn't agree more.
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