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The recut date is characteristic of N-14, a common variety. Those lines on the reverse are pretty darn unique, though. I'm forced to wonder if they had an influence on later die states as a result of being polished out. They're plainly on the die, and none of dozen or so N-14 examples I looked at had anything resembling this. Wonder who we have around here who's EAC-affiliated.
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Dave- Good call on N-14. Noyes' new book does show those lines for N-14 die states A and B. They are not nearly as strong in the book as they are on this coin. Perhaps this one should be used for the photo in the second edition.
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Noyes' new book does show those lines for N-14 die states A and B. Ah. Cool. Glad you stopped by; you'd be the one to know about this. Do the later die states show some weakness there caused by polishing the marks down? I can almost think something got in and clashed there. |
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Yes they do. They look like what a large coarse file would leave. Given the years, it may very well have been the exact same file that did both!
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Seems odd that the marks doesn't show up on the letters though...If the die would have been filed on, wouldn't the marks have shown up on the letters as well?
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If the die would have been filed on, wouldn't the marks have shown up on the letters as well? Consider that everything you see as raised on the coin, is a negative on the die. The file - or whatever did it - wouldn't have penetrated deep enough into the die to affect the letters. Those cuts are on the highest point of the die. |
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BTW, was this photo taken on Cookie Monsters stomach?
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N-14 and yes, a real shame on an otherwise nice looking coin.
I'd call it AU58 Details.
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Would die marks really give a coin a details grade? It's not like it's PMD. |
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Would die marks really give a coin a details grade? Not at all, but the stuff on the center/lower part of the reverse sure is PMD. It's a Details coin. |
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Appears to be an attempt by someone (obviously not knowledgeable) to remove the black spot near CE.
Quite harshly too :(
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BTW, was this photo taken on Cookie Monsters stomach? I so wish I had Cookie Monster's stomach to rely on when it comes to taking pictures...sadly enough, it's just a backside of a furry blanket I have. Depending on what kind of coin I photograph, I use different backgrounds. thanks for all your feedback on the coin, this is what I love about CCF |
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Would die marks really give a coin a details grade? Nope SuperDave already said that but it actually helps this coin as in identifying the variety number if you choose to have a TPG put that on the holder. The coin was definitely cleaned, possibly twice, once a long, long time ago, probably just rubbed with a soft cloth, later on something contaminated the coin primarily on the reverse, this was attempted to be removed via chemical bath of some sort and possibly with an eraser. The cleaning probably saved the coin from going through way more corrosion, but the method and harshness, especially on the reverse, will put it into a details cleaned, recolored and surface damage or corrosion. Still a really neat large cent, I'd be happy to have in my collection just for the die markers and the re-punched date.  I'd put it's grade at EF45+ details. It's almost an AU but the cleaning and reverse might keep it out of AU territory at a TPG. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Nice RPD! Too bad about the wipe marks, but I'd still enjoy having that. |
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