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Pillar of the Community
United States
1626 Posts |
Hi Bruce, I received my coin today. The coin was graded by NGC and I posted it in the grading section https://goccf.com/t/14825Most people agreed it was XF, however NGC graded it AU53 I am happy with my 1st purchase from Harlan Berk
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1083 Posts |
Glad you are satisfied. I bought a Trade dollar from HB and I was pleased. If you have any concerns you can always call them. They are helpful and courteous on the phone. Colin
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Valued Member
United States
56 Posts |
Harlan Berk is a really reputable dealer with a strong inventory, but I think a lot of their stuff is overpriced. When I used to work a block from the store, I would shop there on occasion, but found them to be rather inflexible when it came to prices.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
Glad someone is having good luck with them. I live in the area of that place. I USED to go there a lot. I even went there before it became Harlan J. Berk. Then about a few years ago something changed. They started to carry a lot of cleaned coins, became rude to customers, raised prices way out of normalicy. One of my last trips there I asked why so many coins were cleaned. They said that's the way the get them and if I don't want them go somewhere else. Another time there the guy behind the counter walked away from me in the middle of a conversation. A lady said it was his luch time so away he went. They are never at coin shows in the area and when I asked someone there why not I was told what for. No one there worth our time. Rude, over priced, lack of good merchandise, many cleaned coins. Very big store that has artifacts of very old stuff from places like Rome, Egypt, etc. I feel they are just to big an not really to interested in customers unless you wave large bills in their faces. Only my experience with them over the years. Like I said I go by there almost every day.
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Valued Member
United States
70 Posts |
I've bought from them quite a few times, & been happy with every purchase (both US & Ancients). They can be on the high end price wise, but nothing I've been interested in has been way off. The stuff I've looked at has been high end grade wise & sometimes you pay a few extra bucks to get a coin with just the right 'look'.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
14454 Posts |
I have dealt with HJB many many times and I have never had anything but very considerate emails from them. I have always been very pleased with each purchase and if the coin is cleaned atleast they will tell you its cleaned unlike most other dealers which I find rather pleasing. I have ordered a coin that HJB called whizzed but I be derned if I could tell it even looking at it under my QX5 microscope and also ordered a "lightly cleaned" according to them and also could not see any evidence of the cleaning
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
675 Posts |
Thanks for the feedback guys. I will wait a few days, and if I don't get the coin or hear anything I'll get in touch with them and make sure everything is going fine.
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Moderator
 United States
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An important point is being made here, especially by Carl and I Palindrome I. Nothing is ever perfect, and even the best dealer will have (rightfully) dissatisfied customers on occasion. The lesson, as always, is due diligence on the part of the buyer, and the willingness to stand up for yourself and not accept what you consider to be a poor deal. Carl is a respected member around here, and relates his story in a fashion which proves that he does not have any personal agenda other than education. IPal is a personal friend of mine, and his experiences with Harlan Berk are a topic we've discussed in other venues even before I was a member here at CCF. I believe what they have to say. It has a bearing on my decision whether to deal with Harlan Berk or not. I still choose to do business with them, and to endorse them as a place to do business. That opinion is based on my own level of knowledge - I trust my ability to grade a coin, to determine whether a price is fair or not, and to stand up for my rights if I feel that I've been done wrong. There are very darn few dealers out there who sell coins in our price range (I'm unlikely to ever spend as much as $1000 on a coin), and can be considered as absolutely trustworthy from both a grading and pricing standpoint. We're lucky enough to be posting on a forum founded by one such dealer.  But never forget, these people are in business to make money. They have families to feed, and individual views of what's "right" from a business standpoint, and they also have flaws like any other human being. So, Caveat Emptor. Do not place blind trust, as a buyer, in anything, ever. Educate yourself. Know what you're buying. Know what you should be paying. Don't stretch your willingness to make a purchase - there's always another coin around the corner at least as nice as the one you're looking at. We're not discussing Top Pops here, we're talking about coins that are relatively common on the market.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I was in their store this spring...about a month ago...and was treated very well even though I was a first time customer and from out of state, to boot. I made a couple of minor purchases, but have every intention of doing business with them again.
Yes...they had some cleaned coins...that were clearly marked as cleaned. They also had a lot of nice pieces that appeared to my eyes, at least, to be original.
According to my local dealer, the boom in coin collecting has left most dealers with limited inventory (tons of low grade common dates, but few high grade and/or key dates) to offer. The demand is such that dealers need to have something to show customers. The true mark is whether or not the dealer is honest and indicates clearly if a coin has problems.
As far as price...I'm sure Harlan J. Berk is pricing their coins at what the market will bear, and more power to them. I'd certainly want to get the maximum for coins in my collection if I were selling.
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Valued Member
United States
70 Posts |
Thundercoin, I know they've been working on redoing parts of their website so something could have always gotten lost in the shuffle. They do send out an order confirmation email (just the one, no separate email when the item ships). It certainly won't hurt to shoot them an email so you don't have to worry about it.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
I'm not sure about their web site and only their in person contact with customers. It may well be they have gone to pay more attention to their web site and care less about in store customers. As I pointed out I am in the area of their store and for some time now their customer relations requires a lot of improvement. Last time I was there a lady waited on me and she could not answer almost any quetions I had about coins. Don't think she had any knowledge of coins at all. As I pointed out we have numerous coin shows in the area of Chicago and they are never represented there. Now with the MidAmerica Coin Expo coming up June 21 to 24th, dealers from over 30 states, I'll bet they are to busy to be there or just don't think it's worth their time. From what people here say Berk's prices on the web site are OK but compared to coin shows in the area they are extensively high. Another thing is at all coin shows I go to prices are negotiable. At H.J.Berk's store, the price marked is it regardless. As noted this is my opinion based only on repeated visits to that store.
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Valued Member
United States
70 Posts |
Sounds like they could use better in store help. A big part of their business are their Ancient Coin/Artifact mail bid auctions & the Gemini auction in NY. I think the things that would make them a 'regular' coin shop are more of a sideline at this point. The US/World Coin/Currency market still makes them money so they still do it, but the Ancients market is their primary focus.
They aren't the only dealer that I know of that doesn't negotiate price. It's becoming more & more common. Shows are a bit different than B&M overhead too.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1173 Posts |
It's odd how two people can have such different experiences with the same place of business. I don't doubt Carl's experience...it just isn't the same as what I had.
When I was at Berks in April, I was able to negotiate a slight reduction in price (about 10%) on the two coins I bought. I was also pretty serious about a couple of coins that together were priced at about $1350 if I recall correctly, and I was offered them at $1200 for the pair. I felt they were graded fairly, and the price quoted was a discount to the grey sheet, but I just didn't want to spend that much money right then.
I must have been there on a good day. I won't be back until next April, but I'm already looking forward to how I'm treated the second time around.
Edited by hunter20ga 05/17/2007 11:36 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3343 Posts |
I'm close enought to be able to go down to Berk's every once in a while. It's always a panic finding a parking spot downtown, then getting back to the car before it gets ticketed (Chicago wasn't nicknamed "Beirut by the Lake" for nothing). Anyway, I've always been pleased with what I got in the store, and pricing for the grade seemed fair to me.
In most cases I would spot a coin on-line that I liked, then visit the store to inspect it in person before buying. If they state that the coin is cleaned, don't let the on-line photo fool you into thinking it's not. I've passed on several shiny specimens that looked OK on-line.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Valued Member
United States
56 Posts |
just carl, which part of Chicago do you live in?
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