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Pillar of the Community
United States
1796 Posts |
If only an overhaul would happen...
I hope.
I pray.
I complain... :-)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1211 Posts |
First off, I would be very disappointed if they went to overtly designs but continues to also issue presidential themed coinage. Second, I would like them to hold off on messing with the quarter at all until the ATB series ends in 2021. Leave the cent alone, I love the Lincoln Shield cent. Go ahead with the gasparro design for the half dollar after the JFK 50th anniversary. That design would make me a very happy camper... It's beautiful. Come up with something new for the dime. Who knows what will happen but hey, at least it's being talked about.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
3167 Posts |
I'm not going to comment very much, but I have to say I am in favour of the idea. But, I am not holding my breath. Like Superdave said, politics and government never come with guts  .
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11951 Posts |
Quote: They better leave my ATBs alone until that finishes, mid series changes are one of my pet peeves. I like Washington quarters .. and do want the ATB's to finish to completion ... But.... If they wanted to change the obverse .. and keep all the ATB reverse's to completion .. I would have no problem with that change ... as long as the new obverse was going back to a new version of the Standing Liberty quarter. Can you imagine a silver proof standing liberty quarter, with cool ATB reverses ...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2077 Posts |
I think the ATB reverses are the best thing to come out of the mint in a long time. I think they would look good with any obverse because I keep them in a folder! The obverse changes they made in 99 ruined it. GW's head is flat. I assume they did this to decrease die pressure. It just looks terrible. Did the same thing to Lincoln. Don't even get me started on the nickel. The first new head was kinda' cool and mod. Then they switched to the flat face. Maybe they were preparing people for the ugly Pres dollar series.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
899 Posts |
The cent and nickel aren't included in this. (I am no fan of either of these current designs) The coins would be added - no changes to existing coins. I see it as a way to phase out the existing coins. All the fears of changing the quarter during the run of these are wasted - the ATB will run out to the end unchanged by this bill. I agree with jbuck completely - end the personage on the coins.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote:... If they wanted to change the obverse .. and keep all the ATB reverse's to completion .. I would have no problem with that change I still wouldnt want to see that. It would be better than having the series abandoned but having the first few years with washington then all of a sudden they changed it would annoy me. The S mint surprise was bad enough, if they changed the obverse too it would just be a debacle of a series of patched together random things that they felt like trying through out. Quote: GW's head is flat. I assume they did this to decrease die pressure. I dont know if it made them easier to mint or not (Id guess it did) but I think they did it so theyd last longer. The flater designs spreads the wear of the coin out more so they wear down slower more evenly over time extending their life
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Valued Member
United States
157 Posts |
You know, if they replaced all presidents with Liberty, no one could say they're playing favorites, although many are right in that GW should remain until ATB ends. Actual people should only appear on commems, period. I think circulating two types in a denomination in a single year (one with prez and one with Liberty) is a bad idea, and a total cop out. Too many circulation issues as it is, and now they want to add more?
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
12839 Posts |
I'm all for this bill. And  that the ATB program should stick around to its conclusion one way or another, whether GW's head is on the obverse or not. Personally I am a fan of the GW obverse but I'd have no problem with a liberty-themed replacement -- even mid-stream of the ATB program. Provided that the ATB reverses are seen out to the end. I'm already trying to envision what a 3" version in the 5-oz pucks would look like... hmmmm....
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1358 Posts |
I'm not really sure if I'm for this bill or not when I think about it.
I feel slighted that our Government is attempting to take advantage of us coin collectors by intentionally issuing additional designs that they know people will hoard in order to make money. I suppose that the "debt reduction" part of this plan is just to make it sound more appealing..
It just kinda feels like they are going in the direction of the USPS.. countless numbers of different issues per year to make money. But I guess this program will only be two more issues a year so it's not too bad.
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Bedrock of the Community
13014 Posts |
Quote: I suppose that the "debt reduction" part of this plan is just to make it sound more appealing.. It is it wont do anything to reduce it. The extra money made can make the budget for the year look a little better but thats really it
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote:But.... If they wanted to change the obverse .. and keep all the ATB reverse's to completion .. I would have no problem with that change ... I would be okay with this, however, I would prefer to see GW until completion. They can change the obverse for Round 2.  Quote: The obverse changes they made in 99 ruined it. GW's head is flat. I assume they did this to decrease die pressure. Low relief extends die life and allows for increased speed, both are necessary for the higher mintage numbers of modern coins. Quote: The S mint surprise was bad enough... Oh, how I agree. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
613 Posts |
The plan sounds like a confusing mess. Also, the low relief coins of recent years are a disappointment.
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Pillar of the Community
708 Posts |
Hey,
If they are even so much as "bothering" to "talk" about redesigning the half, do you think that the government may try to push the half back into circulation? I sort of think there is some hope for halves now, if there is talks of a new design coming out, just as I have high hopes for the redesigned $2 bill, coming out in the Meaningful Access redesign, starting in the early 2020s. Do you suppose that the $1 bill will be phased out as well, and maybe the penny since the penny and nickel are not included in this redesign, so that there will be space in cash registers for both halves and dollar coins in the coin slots, and a slot in the bill section for $2 bills? Do you think vendors and self checkout companies will upgrade for circulating halves and $2 bills when the self checkout companies inevitably will have to retool their machines to give dollar coins (and possibly $2 bills) as change?
I think it will be easy for the self checkouts to be reprogrammed to dispense $2 bills in change in the place of the $1 bills, but making the machines dispense halves and dollar coins could be a bit more tricky and costly. But at least, for the dollar coin, it has to be done, so, why not do it for the half as well, and rake in a little more profit?
Edited by Fox 09/12/2013 11:51 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2734 Posts |
Quote:OldSkoolMadSkilz ...a lot of the seigniorage that came from the State Quarter program is slowly trickling back into the economy . Slowly? It was a massive, prolonged dump. Lowest-mintage 2008 variety = Oklahoma-D 194,600,000 Highest-mintage 2009 variety = District of Columbia-D 88,800,000 (beginning of the year) Lowest-mintage 2009 variety = Mariana Islands-P 35,200,000 (end of the year) All 2010 design-mintmark varieties were in the mid 30-million range. 2012, the first six design-mintmark varieties (El Yunque, Chaco, Acadia) were in the 20-million range. If business strike mintages are any indication, massive quantities of State Quarters were dumped at least through mid-2012, and average 100+ million variety mintages finally returned only in 2013 (and each 2013 variety is still lower than the Oklahoma-D) Agreed that replacing the $1 note series with a volume-production $2 note series makes total sense, and would make room for the $1 coin. 
Edited by DNA 09/13/2013 10:54 pm
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