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Pillar of the Community
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About 55% of the oldest clad quarters and 60% of the clad dimes are gone now.
It used to seem like all the dimes and quarters were dated '65 to '67 but so many are gone and so many new coins have been minted that they aren't seen as much any longer.
One of the reasons heavily worn clad dimes aren't seen as often as quarters is that as the dimes wear they get thinner and become more likely to fit in the slot of a screw and ruined by use as a screw driver. Of course the primary reason is that dimes have a lower velocity so wear more slowly but damage from being used as a tool preferentially affects the more worn coins. To put this in perspective a roll of worn clad dimes is only about 80% the lenght of a BU roll of most dates. ie- each coin loses a lot of thickness as it wears.
Heavily worn coins are slightly more likely to be lost because they'll tend to roll farther and are very slightly more prone to fall through holes and cracks.
I think in 20 years a roll of avg circ 1969 quarters will look pretty horrid. More than a third of these early dates that survive are culls due to tarnish or damage. Nearly half are in what most people consider "uncollectible condition" already. Try finding a nice attractive '69 in F or better. You might be surprised.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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Quote: Try finding a nice attractive '69 in F or better. You might be surprised. I found an AU 1969-D Quarter in my change a couple of years ago, and believe me, I was very surprised. It's in one of my Littleton State Quarter folders, in the 1932-98 Washington Obverse space.
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Quote:I found an AU 1969-D Quarter in my change a couple of years ago, and believe me, I was very surprised. It's in one of my Littleton State Quarter folders, in the 1932-98 Washington Obverse space. The '69-D is difficult and desirable as well but despite the lower mintage is much easier to find in nice shape than the '69. There are several reasons for this but the primary one is that its scarcity was recognized early and a few pepople would set them aside. Many then got back into circulation. Also the Philly issue got into circulation very quickly, almost all were circulating by the end of 1970 but the Denver issue wasn't completely in circulation until 1975. The Denver issue is made better and has better rims protecting the design. One of the biggest things is just that the '69 was so poorly made that many specimens just aren't attractive until they are highly worn. Nice (XF+) Denver specimens could be found until about 1995 but I haven't seen a comparable Philly coin since about 1981. It was the first clad quarter that no longer appeared in XF in circulation. Of course individual coins don't know they can't be in circulation any longer so you can still occassionally find things that aren't supposed to be there. Some of these are mint set coins that escaped, some are from collections, and some just escaped the ravages of time under a dryer or in a piggy bank.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
Edited by cladking 07/14/2013 9:43 pm
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I've got quite a few dimes in my pocket right now, & none of them is before 1990. Most are less than 10 years old. It struck me as anomalous when I noticed that all my dimes were shiny & new. (It also makes it more difficult to find a comparison piece to show how they shrunk Roosevelt's head, & moved the lettering away from the rims, in 2000.)
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Quote: I've got quite a few dimes in my pocket right now, & none of them is before 1990. Most are less than 10 years old. It struck me as anomalous when I noticed that all my dimes were shiny & new. (It also makes it more difficult to find a comparison piece to show how they shrunk Roosevelt's head, & moved the lettering away from the rims, in 2000.) It's really rather remarkable that now days you can look at 45 or 50 dimes in a row that allhave a "P" or "D" mintmark. All that massive Philly mintages of '68 to '79 plus all the '65 to '67 mintages can just be swallowed up by the monstrous recent mintages and the ravages of time. Dime attrition is likely to increase even further going forward since 10c is so little money that people won't bother to retrieve dropped coins. They'll run the vacuum over them rather than spend the time and effort to stop and pick it up. One day they'll be recalled by the FED and most will be redeemed and melted.
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Cell phones also have something to do with it. Used to be that you'd always leave the house with a few dimes in case you needed to use a pay phone.
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I agree with CladKing. When was the last time you saw an honest to goodness XF or better 1965 quarter in circulation? Most of the ones I see are G-F. I read something interesting today in a 1931 issue of the Numismatist. The magazine staff pointed out that the mintage of 1930 cents was so high because that was the point where laymen started to pull Indian cents out of circulation. If this is the reason- then it explains all the low grade Indian cents that stuck around. The editors were against the practice, by the way, pointing out that they'd never be worth any kind of premium. Well, it took a nearly a hundred years, but you can get a decent return for every cent you put away. Can the same be said about any modern day clad issues? It all depends on how long your historical reference point is.
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Bottom line â€" Coins aren't used as much as they were earlier and that's why it's hard to find a modern-day coin in a worn off condition.
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I agree with Harvey. Very interesting comments posted thus far everyone.
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Quote:I agree with CladKing. When was the last time you saw an honest to goodness XF or better 1965 quarter in circulation? Most of the ones I see are G-F. I read something interesting today in a 1931 issue of the Numismatist. The magazine staff pointed out that the mintage of 1930 cents was so high because that was the point where laymen started to pull Indian cents out of circulation. If this is the reason- then it explains all the low grade Indian cents that stuck around. The editors were against the practice, by the way, pointing out that they'd never be worth any kind of premium. Well, it took a nearly a hundred years, but you can get a decent return for every cent you put away. Can the same be said about any modern day clad issues? It all depends on how long your historical reference point is. Back in the '80's The Numismatist published a study that had been done in 1940 of the coins in circulation. It discovered that essentially all the 1909-S VDB cents were gone from circulation. They had been prefentially set aside by collectors. Not only was much of the mintage intercepted before it had a chance to circulate but by 1940 those that had gotten into pocket change had been pulled out. Millions of "penny boards" made by Raymond and others had been sold during the depression when people had a lot of time on their hands and everyone needed this date. Today most of these are seen in Unc with a few AU's and lots of VF's and F's. Even during the '20's there were people setting aside rolls of new coins but this didn't take off until 1932. Clad today has a completely different dynamic. People just never really set aside bags, rolls or even singles of clads. Until very recent times there weren't even serious collectors of clads. Whitman didn't even make one of their $2 folders for clad quarters until 1984 and, I'd wager, this board will be pretty scarce. It will be even scarcer filled in with a nice '69 quarter. The point here is that even the scarcest clads circulate freely. Only in the last few years are we finally beginning to see things like the incidence of 1969 dimes in circulation beginning to fall a little relative other dates. Of course by now most of these old dimes are in poor shape so in the future there won't be much supply of things like AU's and XF's even if the price goes up and keeps them from being spent yet again. Few collectors see what has been developing in clad for the last half a century (yes, next year). Lots of mint sets were made so everyone thinks the supply will forever be ample but they don't realize most of these sets are gone now because of low prices and many of the survivors are tarnished. TRhey also don't realize that every date doesn't come nice in the mint set. Sure, you can almost pick a '72-D quarter at random from a mint set still today and it will be nice but this doesn't apply to '69 dimes. Many of these ugly coins will simply be spent as will the Gems if the set is dismantled to melt the half dollar. In the future there will be a few Gems surviving and significant numbers of unattractive specimens (250,000?). There will be a few XF's and VF's and there's still time to save a lot of F's. Most every date will be far scarcer than most Indian cents in grades over G. But, many of these "better" clads won't really be better because they will be ugly and/ or tarnished coins from mint sets. It's rather ironic that in the early dates the ugly mint set coins are much nicer than what was made for circulation. The future is never set in stone but it is always dependent on current conditions. There can't be lots of AU's unless people pulled the coins out and they didn't. The vast majority of most dates are already either destroyed permanently or worn out in circulation.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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Do many people collect circulated clad coins?
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Quote: Do many people collect circulated clad coins? Up until 1999 the number of collectors had to be tiny. You'd rarely see these sets come into the coin shops and folders were difficult to find. In 1999 they started making a lot more of the quarter folders and they started appearing in even in book stores and grocery stores. I'd guess at least five or six million folders have been sold and more than half of them started as a collection. This assures that most of the coins that were still in circulation in 1999 won't be truly scarce but the typical set of these today is unlikely to have even the best available then. Things like VF+ 1969 and AU '66 quarters were long gone by 1999. Today there are tens of millions collecting circulating quarters but many collect only the '99 and later coins. Dimes are much less widely collected. Halves have never been and still aren't widely collected in circulated condition but have been becoming more popular the last few years. Ikes inspire surprisingly strong interest in circulated condition but most are probably searching for varieties. There's going to be a very surprising distribution of grades in twenty years after the clads have allbeen melted. Many dates will be very tough in attractive condition and some of these will have hundreds of thousands surviving in MS-60. Some dates,like the '82-P will be much easier to find in attractive AU than attractive Unc. Almost all dates before 1990 will be elusive in AU and better except the '82 and '83 issues. There will be strange distributions and almost all dates will be uncommon in Gem. The '72-D will be the only date that approaches being common with half a million available.
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Quote: Well, it took a nearly a hundred years, but you can get a decent return for every cent you put away. Not on an annualized basis. You've got about a 4% annual rate of return with an official 3.2% inflation rate. Quote: Almost all dates before 1990 will be elusive in AU and better except the '82 and '83 issues. Ture, even for those people who did collect the clad coins most will not have survived. A lot of collectors built their clad sets from mint sets, but during the 70's, 80's, and 90's, when I would see sets come into coin shops (silver sets plus the clads) invariably I would see the clad mint set pieces be popped out of the sets and dumped into the cash register. So the business strikes went into circulation and were worn out, and even many the mint set coins were eventually dumped into circulation as well.
Edited by Conder101 07/23/2013 11:53 am
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Quote: Do many people collect circulated clad coins? Almost all of my clad coins came from circulation. Most of the exceptions being proof and NIFC issues.
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This discussion has been rather interesting, I think the fact that there are so many different designs of quarters and also the lack of new quarters being minted recently has meant that quarters have circulated more than they otherwise would've. Just the other day I got a F rhode island quarter and an xf virgin islands quarter in my change. I also found a VG bicentennial quarter that would have kept but I needed ONE more stupid quarter to do my laundry so I was forced to spend it.
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