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Condition Or Rarity, What's Most Important?

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 Posted 07/17/2013  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shootnstarz to your friends list
Yea, I'm with you on the grade wagon, I like pretty coins over low grade rare ones. Being I'm just getting my feet wet that could change in the future. I've already gone from just wanting junk silver to wanting pretty silver.

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 Posted 07/17/2013  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dave H to your friends list
I don't know if it's vanity or not, but I much prefer higher grade, more attractive coins, than low quality, rare coins.
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 Posted 07/17/2013  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rking007 to your friends list
I think for me overall it's grade but I do feel a ton of excitement when I pick up a semi key Wheat cent over a common BU. I just started picking up Walking halves and the seven I have in F/VF are, to me, some of the most beautiful coins I own. They have this awesome sense of age and wear to them. I really do feel like I'm holding history with them. If coins get to worn, I pass.
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 Posted 07/17/2013  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cipriani to your friends list
I think it must be a balance between them, nice question by the way! I am thinking about moments that I am in front of some coins, ready to buy them. Besides the like factor, there is a combination between rarity and condition.
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 Posted 07/17/2013  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list
Vermontensium's PO-1 chain cent might be had for the price of a PF-70 common year Washington quarter. Yes, I would always take that rarity over the common quarter's grade, but even if that rarity is arbitrarily assigned the same dollar value as the quarter's condition, it will always have a quality the quarter does not. We don't always appreciate that quality in the West, but in Japanese classical esthetics it's called sabi, which we poorly translate as "the beauty of age and natural patina." It can be seen in a gnarled tree, a ruined temple, or a worn chain cent, but it's why "rarity" will always trump "condition."
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 Posted 07/17/2013  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadToTheBone to your friends list
Condition, Condition, Condition. The real rarities you and I will in most cases never run into and if you do then condition doesn't matter most of the time because its so rare.
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 Posted 07/18/2013  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
The problem with the question is that they are generally one in the same. Ever hear of "conditional rarity"? A high grade coin in a common date can be worth more than than a low grade, key date.
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 Posted 07/18/2013  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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Im a fan of high grade. Id rather have a stunning looking coin than a dog which is worth money only because of the date printed on it.

Me too.
I'd like all my Albums to have coins that appear as they did when new.
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 Posted 07/18/2013  10:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Rarity is what I like. Sure pretty coins are nice, but they are also always easily available. And yes I understand about condition rarity, but that is usually something like "There are only two of these known in MS-67!" Yeah, but there are 5,000 of them in MS-66 and 100K in MS-65. Whereas this coin over here is low grade but there are only 20 pieces known in ANY condition.

Now sure if you pass on the MS-67 coin you may never see one again,but you will have endless opportunities to pick up a "pretty" MS-65 or MS-66. But if I pass on the chance at that low grade rarity the odds are good that I will never have another chance in my lifetime to get one in ANY condition.
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 Posted 07/18/2013  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
I like circulated coins. I also collect coins in a series.

Since every series has a rarity (if only relative to the other coins in the series), then I suppose I prefer rarity to condition.
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 Posted 07/18/2013  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
Why can't we have both?

If I had to choose...rarity.
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 Posted 07/18/2013  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shootnstarz to your friends list
You can have both and I'm sure most long time collectors do. I just wondered which held the most appeal for you, worth not being a factor.

Some people's taste changes and from what I comprehend the longer you've been collecting the more the scarce coins appeal to you. Me being an ultra newbie, "Ooooh, shiny" !

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 Posted 07/18/2013  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add War Nickel to your friends list
For me its condition. If its an "expensive" coin I like the design of , then look for the cheapest year in the best condition.
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 Posted 07/18/2013  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list

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For the most part I try to find a healthy balance between the two.



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We don't always appreciate that quality in the West, but in Japanese classical esthetics it's called sabi, which we poorly translate as "the beauty of age and natural patina." It can be seen in a gnarled tree, a ruined temple, or a worn chain cent, but it's why "rarity" will always trump "condition."


Personally, I've shifted on this over the years. When I first started collecting I was all after filling the gaps. And if it was a rarity, well, all the better!

But now .. well, I look at this:

Condition-Or-Rarity,-What's-Most-Important?

Yes, there are only, what .. 3 coins known with this obverse/ reverse combination, so certainly rare. But .. why the heck did I buy it? Not sure. Even though it cost maybe $40 I'll probably never get back what I paid. And it's hardly a looker, is it?

So now I prefer condition. With the proviso that a 360 year-old coin should look 360 years old. I don't really like shiny-like-new.

Ideally, common coins in uncommon condition is what I'm after. And if I can pick up uncommon coins in similar, as Rick says, all the better!
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