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Real Racketeer Nickels?

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 Posted 07/22/2013  12:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list
So were the edges reeded artificially to make them seem further different from the typical cupronickel smooth-edged 5-cent piece? Or were Shield nickel edges reeded, and the early Liberty nickels were reeded too, but it was dropped with the "CENTS" addition?
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 Posted 07/22/2013  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
All nickel five cent pieces have had a plain edge. Some of the people making and passing racketeer nickels reeded the edge before plating to make the plated coin more closely resemble a half eagle, which did have reeded edges.
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 Posted 07/22/2013  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list
I have an article I wrote about discerning between "genuine" racketeer nickels and modern "reproductions" over on The Black Cabinet:

http://fakes.numismetrica.com/2012/...c-1883-0001/

Where there are some microscopic features you can take into account, matthewvincent, specksynder, and Gyrene7483 nailed the major discerning factors.

Sadly in the end there's truly no way to be *certain* just likely or unlikely. :-)
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 Posted 07/26/2013  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
Steve,

I found your article on the Racketeer Nickel quite informative.
I dug out my example and looked at it under a 30x glass.

Results:
I found it difficult to determine the lack of gold color in the scratches and, if that were the only characteristic,
I would still be in the dark. However, the recesses tell a loud story.

The detail of the ear. Surfaces are worn BUT the inner ear shows gold color.
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And the indentation between the nose and the cheek:
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Similarly, the hair surfaces are worn but the 'scalp' shows gold. On the reverse
the wreath shows many gold flakes remaining in the crevices.

While, as you said, they is no absolute proof to be had
the coin has things going for it. It 'looks' honest [for a cheat!]

Many thanks,
Matthew



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 Posted 09/28/2013  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
GREAT NEWS!
I wrote an article about the 1883 Racketeer Nickel for the Barber Journal and just today I received the Sept. issue. A link to this topic was published, and maybe one or two of our members will add something.
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 Posted 09/28/2013  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SCDave to your friends list
I've got one that I'm reasonably sure is genuine. It has a reeded edge but no gold on it. It's been well circulated (VG) so I imagine if it ever made it to the plating stage, all the gold just came off. It's been in my collection for about 25 years and went to ebay a couple months ago but no one bid on it.....

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 Posted 05/27/2019  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USSID18 to your friends list
Would a TPG'er straight grade a Racketeer or detail/damage it?
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 Posted 05/27/2019  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list
This one is authentic for sure. It was found in a controlled archaeological dig in Deadwood, South Dakota.

But, unfortunately, it's not for sale.

https://www.coinbooks.org/esylum_v19n44a28.html
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 Posted 05/27/2019  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USSID18 to your friends list

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This one is authentic for sure.


So I guess a reeded edge isn't necessary.

Would a TPG'er grade it as authentic?
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 Posted 05/27/2019  5:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list

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"It's pretty easy to plate a nickel," he said. "It makes such a great story, but they're fakes. None of them has the provenance of this particular coin, the Deadwood Racketeer Nickel."


Just a made up story.
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 Posted 05/27/2019  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USSID18 to your friends list

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Just a made up story.


So I guess you're saying; it would be helpful to read the entire article.
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 Posted 05/27/2019  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list
Reading is one thing, comprehending and drawing conclusions is another. Plus, "salting" a pick is common practice.
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 Posted 05/28/2019  08:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Glad I don't need one in my Album.
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 Posted 05/28/2019  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USSID18 to your friends list

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Glad I don't need one in my Album.


I'm glad I don't want one.
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 Posted 05/28/2019  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
For comparison, here's a reeded specimen that I've had for some years now. Some of the central gold plating has worn off which leads me to suspect that it may have been a collector's pocket piece for many years.

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05/28/2019 11:35 am
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