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 Posted 06/01/2007  03:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add toast to your friends list
Is the front profile of William and the back part profile of Mary?

Why were there two images used during this period and not the single Monarch as on coins since?

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 Posted 06/01/2007  04:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
William and Mary were joint monarchs - married cousins with an equal claim to the throne. This was the first (and so far the only) time such "dual monarchs" had ruled a united Britain since the days of the Roman Empire.

IIRC, Parliament stipulated that the designs of the coins would show the two monarchs, side by side, with neither appearing to be taller or more superior than the other.
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 Posted 06/03/2007  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add josie to your friends list
I dont know the value now, but 2006 other ref. it is good price.
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 Posted 06/10/2007  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add karrlot to your friends list
Were William and Mary married?
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 Posted 06/10/2007  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
Yes. They had been married for 12 years prior to the "Glorious Revolution", the coup d'etat which brought them to power.
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 Posted 06/30/2007  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add valutarick to your friends list
A Dutch King on the English throne; but this penny is from a Maundy set, the regular penny is bronze and not silver.
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 Posted 06/30/2007  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
Nope, not that early. Copper/bronze pennies weren't made until the "cartwheels" 100 years after this coin was made. These tiny coins were the only "pennies" around at the time and were actually intended to circulate as regular coins.
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 Posted 06/30/2007  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ElleKitty to your friends list
It's a beautiful coin, and I have to admit I'm utterly jealous!

I've been wanting to start a silver penny collection (particularly the hammered coins), I haven't yet because none of the shops in my local area have any to sell right now, and this is something I just don't trust buying off of ebay until I know more about them.

Congratulations. :)
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 Posted 07/02/2007  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add valutarick to your friends list
I always believed that the silver pennies were replaced by copper ones in the Year of 1672 under Charles II. The Large Cartwheels Sap speaks of, was merely the first copper coin struck by James Watt's machine. In the Reign of the Dutch William III, I have seen enough copper farthings, halfpennies and pennies throughout my life. I even got some worn ones in my own collection.
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 Posted 07/03/2007  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pattiewhack to your friends list
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Yes. They had been married for 12 years prior to the "Glorious Revolution", the coup d'etat which brought them to power.

The "glorious" Battle of the Boyne, yes. Prior to this battle (after the Williamite Coup d'etat which brought Mary to power) William couldn't handle his wife being queen- HE had to be KING.
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 Posted 07/03/2007  03:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
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I always believed that the silver pennies were replaced by copper ones in the Year of 1672 under Charles II.

You're thinking of silver halfpennies, which were last issued under the Commonwealth and replaced by the first issue of copper halfpence in that year.
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In the Reign of the Dutch William III, I have seen enough copper farthings, halfpennies and pennies throughout my life. I even got some worn ones in my own collection.

You haven't seen any pennies. If you've got a copper coin of William and Mary or William III which is a bit smaller than a modern (1960's) British predecimal penny, that's a halfpenny. A "modern halfpenny-sized" coin is likely to be a farthing. Britain (England) didn't issue copper coins smaller than a farthing, though some of the coins issued for Scotland and Ireland were quite small.
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 Posted 07/03/2007  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add valutarick to your friends list
Thanks for explaining to me!!!
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 Posted 07/04/2007  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuhli to your friends list
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Yep, was at the time, and still is, theoretically - for 1/240th of a pound, or 5/12ths of a decimal penny. Of course, there's a lot more than 0.4p worth of silver there - it's closer to 10p worth at current silver prices.


Close, but not quite. Upon conversion to a decimal system beginning in 1967 (and finalized in 1971), the Maundy coinage (1,2,3 & 4 pence) were automatically granted full value in the decimal system. Thus, this older silver 1d Maundy coin is still legal tender as 1p (one decimal pence)
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07/04/2007 5:04 pm
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 Posted 07/07/2007  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add josie to your friends list
Thats a lot of info.

If one silver pence is a legal tender and others collect them and not found in circulation.


Is the value of all minted 1 to 4 silver pence since 1670 is reflected in the value of GB pounds?It is both bullion and face value just a comment,Is this silver pence will increase or decrease the value of GB pounds?

unless that the mint have a record that they pullout and melted those pence.



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 Posted 07/07/2007  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add valutarick to your friends list
Do not forget that Holland and England were at war during those times, 4 wars in a line. There is more intrest in the Netherlands for this coin then in the UK, because every Dutch collector wants to have at least something of William III's reigning England. Therefor I predict across the Channel the value of these coins will increase more rapidly then back in the UK, because the penny shown was legal tender and part of everybody's life back then, and I believe in comparison there are more of those pennies laying at British soil then anywhere else in the world.

In the year 1988 we have had the official William and Mary festivities, and the Duth mint (Rijksmunt) issued a large S 925 silver coin for face value 50 gulden( Guilders), which design was taken from the penny you are holding...
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