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American Flag From Six-Pointed To Five-Pointed Stars, Why?

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 Posted 08/09/2013  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
I don't know why the change from six pointed stars to five points but it can be laid at the feet of Charles Barber. Up until the Barber quarter and half all US coins had six pointed stars (if you ignore the 1794 starred rev cent and the $4 stella). The Barber quarter and half had six pointed stars on the obv and five pointed stars on the rev. After that almost without exception all US coins have used five pointed stars. (exceptions are Saint-Gaudens gold, 2006 S mint comm dollar, and bald eagle dollar. And those last two use old pre-1892 designs.)
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 Posted 08/09/2013  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list
Just to confuse things further, Francis Hopkinson also designed the $40 note of the Continental Currency in 1778. The emblem shows an all-seeing eye radiating down on an altar surrounded by 13 stars. As you can see, these stars are eight-pointed!

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And, I agree, a very nice B-6 BB-96 dollar!
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 Posted 08/09/2013  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
Maybe it comes down to what is (was) more practical. Five pointed stars are easier to make for flags, while six pointed stars were easier to engrave for coins. Later, modern engravers perfected or learned how to make a symmetrical five pointed star for coins.


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 Posted 08/09/2013  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
The six pointed stars on the Seated coinage were an agglomeration of six diamonds...at least that is what it looks like to me.
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 Posted 08/09/2013  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chetzler to your friends list
Very interesting question wonghinghi! I had never give much thought to that, but thanks for bringing it up. I look forward to seeing some of the responses here.
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 Posted 08/09/2013  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add specksynder to your friends list
My dad always tells that Betsy Ross story and as a kid he would show me how to fold paper to make the one-cut star. Always figured it was just one of dad's tall tales.
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 Posted 08/10/2013  03:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list
oih82w8:

Thank you for your information but...

Was the story of Betsy Ross real? How many American believe it is true?

From Wikpedia here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy_ross

There is, however, no archival evidence that the story is true.
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 Posted 08/10/2013  09:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cipster to your friends list

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Was the story of Betsy Ross real?


I hope the Betsy Ross story is real because it's such a great story.

I can't remember where I read this and can't claim it to be true, but my recollection of choosing the 5 point star was because the Star of David is a 6 point star and the new country was trying to not be associated with any specific religion.
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 Posted 08/10/2013  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list

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Star of David is a 6 point


Thank you, new idea for me.
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 Posted 08/10/2013  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
I recall wondering about this topic many years ago; the use five vs. six-pointed stars. The Star of David, use of a Jewish star got me then thinking. Also, I wondered if there might have been resistance to a star that was too similar to a pentagram.

A thought-provoking thread, this ...
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 Posted 08/10/2013  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list
Wikipedia has a good write up on the heraldic "mullet" (star), including the long standing rule that the number of points was heraldically unimportant, and could be rendered with five, six, or however many:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_(heraldry)
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 Posted 08/10/2013  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list
One rather obscure fun numismatic fact...
Brazilian coins of the 1890s featured the Southern Cross constellation. Five stars (well more, technically, but the coins only had five).
And all five stars had different numbers of rays/points (corresponding to size[1] - largest had eight, next largest seven, and so on to the smallest with four).


[1] which in turn corresponded to the relevant star's brightness
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 Posted 08/10/2013  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list
But in astronomy, magnitude is a reverse logarithmic scale!

6 is the limit of human vision, 3 is lacklustre, 0 is easily visible, and -27 is the sun.

You'd have a hard time exactly adapting this scale to the number of points on a star... so those Brazilian coins might not be as exact as I'd hope...
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 Posted 08/10/2013  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add publius to your friends list
Speaking of stars with different numbers of points...

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 Posted 08/10/2013  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add h1cks to your friends list
Wow, I just wasted an hour looking through various web sites regarding the number of points on stars. Seems there is more than a few sites that don't agree with the Betsy Ross theory in favor of Masonic symbolism.
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