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Valued Member
Australia
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I have not had any dealings with ANDA so it is disapointing to read this. I have mostly trusted my own judgement on ebay irrespective of any ANDA affiliation. I guess my judgement was correct there too.
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Pillar of the Community
 Australia
1006 Posts |
You are lucky spg1 in my opinion they would be the one of the shiftiest organisations to be related with coins by attempting to portray that they are "ethical" and "aboveboard" but to be honest they are utterly shameful in everyway they could possible achieve apart from dealer protection because they are tops at that. I mean it amazes me that the dealers would do such shifty things in the first place yes it is good to have a regulator but you would expect a dealer who has been in the business for 30 years to be able to grade accurately not nearly a whole grade of and isn't it such a surprise that this mistake nearly always results in a higher price for the piece. Anyway they should advertise that the coins are cleaned as under ANDA but they never do as far as I have seen. Utterly ineffiecent and a shame on the hobby both ANDA and the dealers who do these things.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
4411 Posts |
Whilst I'm sure many are just crappy graders theres also a fair share that deliberately overgrade. Those are the real dodgy buggers.
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Pillar of the Community
 Australia
1006 Posts |
Yeah I agree enworb but it always seems to be a coincidence that the grade assigned is to generous and I would have to say never under
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Valued Member
Australia
95 Posts |
OMF, your poll could be taken to be bias "Frankly I find it a utter joke that ANDA spreads around a guide on grading coins when their own members....." That said, I have purchased coins from ANDA dealers and also found them to be over rated (both coin and value), I no longer consider buying from an ANDA dealers as any sort of grantee of getting what I pay for. In fact I trust people who can be contacted on CCF far more and have not bad coin purchased from a seller via ebay that is a member of CCF (enworb you deserve a plug here).
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Quote: Whilst I'm sure many are just crappy graders theres also a fair share that deliberately overgrade. Those are the real dodgy buggers.  How hard is it to know if a coin has been cleaned and to grade it Honestly. Surely these guys in the ANDA "Club" would "Know their apples" as they are dealing in coins on a daily basis and have been doing so for years. I doubt that there are any "Crappy" graders in that mob, Maybe lazy, incompetent but I feel on a large part Dishonest. this is NOT to say ALL ANDA members are dodgy, I have bought off many an ANDA dealer without any problems whatsoever. I think it is time that ANDA "Shook the tree" and threw all the bad apples over the fence 
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1607 Posts |
There's good & bad in every organisation,ANDA are no different.
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Pillar of the Community
 Australia
1006 Posts |
mschipp that was my opinion and what badpenny has posted only reinforces it but look at the poll not a single person has complete confidence in ANDA. Anyway I know that they have their share of bad dealers but gee I must have been so unlucky dealing with them because the five I have contacted tried to sell me over graded and cleaned coins. Overall tho ANDA fails to identify these dealers and when they are identified to them they simply protect the dealer who is doing the wrong thing now I can bet you that that would definitely hurt ANDA's reputation immensely
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
762 Posts |
Quote: There's good & bad in every organisation,ANDA are no different. That's true, but the intention is that we should be able to trust any dealer that is a member of ANDA. They all have to sign a "code of ethics" which states that they will accurately grade coins and avoid misleading advertising. Selling of overgraded coins and undeclared cleaned coins breaches that code. It seems that ANDA is now only an industry body that looks after it's own members rather than the wider coin collecting community.
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Pillar of the Community
 Australia
1006 Posts |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1607 Posts |
Quote: That's true, but the intention is that we should be able to trust any dealer that is a member of ANDA. They all have to sign a "code of ethics" which states that they will accurately grade coins and avoid misleading advertising. Selling of overgraded coins and undeclared cleaned coins breaches that code.
It seems that ANDA is now only an industry body that looks after it's own members rather than the wider coin collecting community.
Yeah & every police officer in the police force swore an oath to uphold the law & protect the public & every politician swore an oath to tell the truth & do the right thing by the people who voted them in,but does that happen,i think not ! Don't get me wrong I'm not sticking up for ANDA I just think it's like  ,nothing we say or do is going to change anything. Yes you can make more people aware of the bad things but the ones that are'nt on coin forums or have any other access to this info will always be the target of some unscrupulous dealer whether they are part of a large organisation or independent.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
541 Posts |
You know I used to think that these dealers that clean their coins do so because they genuinely believe they're better that way until I heard a certain Melbourne dealer actually tell a customer that his dull white (heavily dipped) proof florins were original, and the shiny ones other dealers sell were the cleaned ones! To me that was an obvious sign of his intention to deceive.
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Pillar of the Community
 Australia
1006 Posts |
Yeah that's the thing wwwww with dealers there is the deliberate intention to deceive a customer for their benefit but these poor ethics are hurting them because people are afraid of being ripped off while if the dealers were honest and disclosed everything people would be more willing to buy from them and the dealers would turn over so much more volume of stock. Anyway not disclosing something is wrong but lying about it is just a whole new level of wrong.
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New Member
Australia
31 Posts |
I take no notice whether a dealer is ANDA-registered or not. Ultimately, you've got to make your own judgements about coins.
I wouldn't be too critical of ANDA. As far as I know, they are just an organisation of volunteers who want to promote numismatics. They are not the coin ombudsman - not really their role to get involved about whether something is VF or EF.
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Pillar of the Community
 Australia
1006 Posts |
Yeah but it is their role to make sure that their members are acting ethically and not misleading the numismatic community
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