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My First Submissions To NGC

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 Posted 10/06/2013  01:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list
Well, I AM just like you. There would be times where a couple of days went by without me checking, and I just knew that the grades would be there. But they weren't. That happened a few times.
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 Posted 10/06/2013  10:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papermoney to your friends list
I just read all the posts! You had a heck of a journey with NGC, Darth! I'm thinking of sending some of my Morgans, including 2 1878's with PL surfaces, a 1884 with Rainbow toning, and a 1880 with PL surfaces. What do you think?
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 Posted 10/06/2013  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list

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I just read all the posts! You had a heck of a journey with NGC, Darth! I'm thinking of sending some of my Morgans, including 2 1878's with PL surfaces, a 1884 with Rainbow toning, and a 1880 with PL surfaces. What do you think?


By all means, send them in! That is my plan as well. I have a little over 100 Morgan and Peace dollars to go through for my next submission. I think I'm going to send in 10 coins next time. This will help save some money per coin as far as shipping costs are concerned. But then again, the insurance will be higher, but we'll see.

By the way, I have a question for the mods: Would it be feasible to start a new section in the forum for TPG submission experiences? Maybe we could call the section TPG Submission Journeys.
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 Posted 10/09/2013  10:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list
Pictures have been uploaded on NGC's website:

http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/i...=2611756-001

http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/i...=2611756-002

http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/i...=2611756-003

http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/i...=2611756-004

http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/i...=2611756-005

I think it's kind of funny that the Morgan dollar that was conserved by NCS has been labeled as IMPROPERLY CLEANED by NGC. So, any kind of cleaning, even conservation, is considered improper by NGC. I don't disagree with this- just thought it was funny.

1889 Morgan BEFORE conservation:

My-First-Submissions-To-NGC

AFTER Conservation:

My-First-Submissions-To-NGC

I wish I had taken better photos before I sent this coin in. I'm a little better at it now, though.
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10/09/2013 10:11 am
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 Posted 10/09/2013  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
I like the "golden" tone better on the 1889 beofre the "conservation" service was accomplished.
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10/09/2013 10:14 am
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 Posted 10/09/2013  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ErrorCoins222 to your friends list
It could be that the 89 was cleaned and unattractively retoned before you sent it in. The original pic might be hiding this.

Do they clue you in as to what method of conservation they used? All it looks like is a quick dip. I've seen coins that are conserved and actually given a numerical grade, so they don't automatically details grade a conserved coin.
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 Posted 10/09/2013  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list
NGC stated that the coin was covered in harmful residue, most likely from being in contact with tape at the end of a paper roll. I just thought it was light toning. I guess it was a combination of both. They did not give it a numerical grade because of the scratches on Liberty's face. NGC didn't explain how it was conserved. I'm assuming that the residue was simply removed. Gonna miss that toning. . . .
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10/09/2013 11:53 am
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 Posted 10/09/2013  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add epikur to your friends list
Wouldnt the detail grade state that it was beause of the scratches then, instead of the improperly cleaned?

Will NCS conservation always end up with a detail grade in the NGC slab?
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 Posted 10/09/2013  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list

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Wouldn't the detail grade state that it was because of the scratches then, instead of the improperly cleaned?

Will NCS conservation always end up with a detail grade in the NGC slab?


That's what I was expecting, so I was surprised when I saw the label. I was also expecting the coin to be housed in an NCS slab, but I have since found out that NCS no longer holders the coins they conserve. I think that even if NGC conserves a coin, they will still label it as IMPROPERLY CLEANED with a DETAILS label. That's just the way they see it, I guess. Like I stated before, though, I don't disagree with it. I would prefer if the label had stated "CONSERVED - RESIDUE REMOVED", or something to that effect.
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10/09/2013 12:00 pm
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 Posted 10/09/2013  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add epikur to your friends list
Hmmm...stumbled onto this article on NGC...
http://www.ngccoin.com/news/viewart...ld-2000-Yuan

where they state "Numismatic Conservation ServicesĀ® (NCSĀ®), an affiliate of NGC, professionally conserved the coins prior to NGC grading and encapsulation."

So I guess not every coin conserved by NCS ends up in a detailed slab...
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 Posted 10/09/2013  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
If they hit with a details grade from the scratch it would appear it has nothing to do with the conservation. Some of the restoration coins will end up in details slabs some wont. Just depends what they have to do to get the gunk off and what they find underneath it. I doubt the graders even know their service worked on the coin unless they have their own submission line in grading room.
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 Posted 10/11/2013  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list
The package arrived today, and I received all my coins safe and sound in their new holders.

My-First-Submissions-To-NGC

My-First-Submissions-To-NGC

My-First-Submissions-To-NGC

I'm going to take some close-up photos of the conserved Morgan this weekend and post them here. Too tired to mess with it tonight.
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 Posted 10/13/2013  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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There would be times where a couple of days went by without me checking, and I just knew that the grades would be there. But they weren't. That happened a few times.


Im impressed, I usually cant go 24 hours without clicking it.

From your pics I kind of feel like artificially toned may have been more appropriate for your quarter though I gues it got the ED since the reverse looks untouched. I almost want to say someone probably torched that side
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 Posted 10/13/2013  01:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FadeToBlack to your friends list
So it took them... 27 business days to grade your coins? Trying to figure out when mine will be posted... 24th of September or something they were received, so... I should see my grades by Halloween at the latest. 27 business days would be halloween exactly, and I should get them back within a week of grades posting, alright...
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10/13/2013 01:03 am
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 Posted 10/13/2013  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list
Yeah, it took several days longer than their stated turn around time, but it was no big deal. I'd rather wait longer and pay half price for grading. OK, so here is the NCS conserved 1889 Morgan dollar close-up mega shots. Honestly, I really like how white this coin appears now. I think they did a great job. At least I know that this coin will not be harmed further down the road.

My-First-Submissions-To-NGC


My-First-Submissions-To-NGC

What do you guys think?

*I updated with a better photo of the reverse*
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10/13/2013 6:13 pm
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